# DIR EN GREY **URL:** \ **Category:** Artists\ **Tags:** metal, rock, male-vocalist\ **Created:** [December 19, 2020, 11:16pm UTC](https://forum.jrockone.com/t/dir-en-grey/342 "2020-12-19T23:16:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 54
**Author:** ![blacktooth](https://forum.jrockone.com/user_avatar/forum.jrockone.com/blacktooth/32/83015_2.png) [@blacktooth](https://forum.jrockone.com/u/blacktooth)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2022, 10:43am UTC](https://forum.jrockone.com/t/dir-en-grey/342/1075 "2022-09-30T10:43:30Z")
One time Dir en grey played GDS at a live show and it never ended. I’m still at that show. ---
**Author:** ![zeus](https://forum.jrockone.com/user_avatar/forum.jrockone.com/zeus/32/89310_2.png) [@zeus](https://forum.jrockone.com/u/zeus)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2022, 11:01am UTC](https://forum.jrockone.com/t/dir-en-grey/342/1076 "2022-09-30T11:01:32Z")
It’s a matter of semantics to me. The studio version of G.D.S. ends at around 3:20 when the guitars kick in, but it’s not a musically satisfying conclusion. That’s not the same as saying the ending doesn’t exist. It does; it’s just abrupt because G.D.S. was never meant to be a standalone song. I think the guitars kicking in with Shinya riding the toms is a cooler ending than anything else I could come up with, so it doesn’t bother me. I listen to that song maybe twice a decade. ---
**Author:** ![seelentau](https://forum.jrockone.com/user_avatar/forum.jrockone.com/seelentau/32/778_2.png) [@seelentau](https://forum.jrockone.com/u/seelentau)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2022, 12:40pm UTC](https://forum.jrockone.com/t/dir-en-grey/342/1077 "2022-09-30T12:40:47Z")
> [@zeus](#): > > The studio version of G.D.S. ends at around 3:20 when the guitars kick in So you think Kyo saying “fucker” (or whatever) is part of the studio audio? I always thought it was live already, the studio audio “ending” around 3:12. Unfortunately, I don’t know the exact date when Shokubeni was recorded, so I can’t check if a tereko exists \>\< > [@sume7](#): > > making a claim that no one else knows the answer to and not citing any source what so ever But I’m doing just that all the time, on the wiki. So either your trust me there and here that I’m telling the truth, without personally seeing each and every source for every piece of information, or not. That’s up to you, I guess. ---
**Author:** ![zeus](https://forum.jrockone.com/user_avatar/forum.jrockone.com/zeus/32/89310_2.png) [@zeus](https://forum.jrockone.com/u/zeus)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2022, 12:50pm UTC](https://forum.jrockone.com/t/dir-en-grey/342/1078 "2022-09-30T12:50:21Z")
> [@seelentau](#): > > So you think Kyo saying “fucker” (or whatever) is part of the studio audio? > I always thought it was live already, the studio audio “ending” around 3:12. > Unfortunately, I don’t know the exact date when Shokubeni was recorded, so I can’t check if a tereko exists \>\< I think it’s both. He could have dubbed that in the studio while they took the guitars and other stuff from the live track and mixed it to the end of G.D.S. I would peg the end of G.D.S. around 3:15, but really the “end” of the song just depends on whatever comes next. ---
**Author:** ![NewsMan](https://forum.jrockone.com/user_avatar/forum.jrockone.com/newsman/32/7331_2.png) [@NewsMan](https://forum.jrockone.com/u/NewsMan)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2022, 2:43pm UTC](https://forum.jrockone.com/t/dir-en-grey/342/1079 "2022-09-30T14:43:36Z")
I probably didn’t explain what I meant very well. I mean that, I think what we hear of G.D.S. in the studio track, is all there is. There isn’t anything else missing. They had a live recording of Shokubeni, they created G.D.S. in a way that they could weave it seamlessly into Shokubeni for the release, as well as have as its own file for playback at concerts. ---
**Author:** ![seelentau](https://forum.jrockone.com/user_avatar/forum.jrockone.com/seelentau/32/778_2.png) [@seelentau](https://forum.jrockone.com/u/seelentau)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2022, 3:08pm UTC](https://forum.jrockone.com/t/dir-en-grey/342/1080 "2022-09-30T15:08:46Z")
Yeah and how that playback file ends is technically unknown, since it has yet to be released. ---
**Author:** ![sume7](https://forum.jrockone.com/user_avatar/forum.jrockone.com/sume7/32/82100_2.png) [@sume7](https://forum.jrockone.com/u/sume7)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2022, 11:29pm UTC](https://forum.jrockone.com/t/dir-en-grey/342/1081 "2022-09-30T23:29:25Z")
> [@seelentau](#): > > But I’m doing just that all the time, on the wiki. So either your trust me there and here that I’m telling the truth, without personally seeing each and every source for every piece of information, or not. That’s up to you, I guess. I don’t care to trust you/your wiki if someone else can actually confirm what you’re saying or if the information is trivial and inconsequential. But when you make a claim that musicians forgot the title of their own song, which seems incredibly unlikely I’m gonna need a little more than just you saying it’s the case. In fact in this specific case nothing short of the band members themselves saying it would really suffice. ---
**Author:** ![seelentau](https://forum.jrockone.com/user_avatar/forum.jrockone.com/seelentau/32/778_2.png) [@seelentau](https://forum.jrockone.com/u/seelentau)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2022, 5:55pm UTC](https://forum.jrockone.com/t/dir-en-grey/342/1082 "2022-10-01T17:55:43Z")
They didn’t forget the name of the song. They forgot the English words from which they used the first letter of for “G.D.S.” And mind you, I’m just repeating what they said. They might have very well lied. Or more specifically Toshiya, since he was the one who said it. In FOOL’S MATE #274, by the way. Although I’m not sure how knowing the source helps, unless you know Japanese and own that specific issue. But again, this IS very, very trivial and inconsequential and not “incredibly unlikely” at all. Kyo routinely forgets the lyrics of his own songs, new and old. And I don’t think people realize how much their live releases are post-edited because one of them messed up a solo or whatever^^ ---
**Author:** ![Saishu](https://forum.jrockone.com/user_avatar/forum.jrockone.com/saishu/32/769_2.png) [@Saishu](https://forum.jrockone.com/u/Saishu)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2022, 1:25am UTC](https://forum.jrockone.com/t/dir-en-grey/342/1083 "2022-10-07T01:25:59Z")
This conversation is kind of weird. GDS is just a constant loop that was clearly made as entrance music for the band. They probably arranged it so that the proper ending is Shinya playing for a few bars and then the guitars kicking in before playing whatever the next song is, especially considering that GDS is still playing when Shinya comes in. Like I’m not inclined to believe there’s much more to GDS than what we’ve already heard. ---
**Author:** ![NowhereGirl](https://forum.jrockone.com/user_avatar/forum.jrockone.com/nowheregirl/32/522_2.png) [@NowhereGirl](https://forum.jrockone.com/u/NowhereGirl)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2022, 10:17am UTC](https://forum.jrockone.com/t/dir-en-grey/342/1084 "2022-10-09T10:17:39Z")
Opinion time: The original UROBOROS with the English versions of GLASS SKIN and DOZING GREEN swapped out for the single versions is a 10/10 album. Note that I don’t hate the remaster, it’s just that the ultra-slick new mix changes the vibe somewhat, and the additions are unnecessary. ---
**Author:** ![rsm\_rain](https://forum.jrockone.com/user_avatar/forum.jrockone.com/rsm_rain/32/1835_2.png) [@rsm\_rain](https://forum.jrockone.com/u/rsm_rain)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 7:55pm UTC](https://forum.jrockone.com/t/dir-en-grey/342/1085 "2022-10-13T19:55:42Z")
i agree completely (except i like the eng versions better ngl) - it’s an album of messy music that should have a messy sound some things aren’t meant to be looked at clearly imho cuz then they get broken down into being just their parts ---
**Author:** ![xxxx](https://forum.jrockone.com/user_avatar/forum.jrockone.com/xxxx/32/89916_2.png) [@xxxx](https://forum.jrockone.com/u/xxxx)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2022, 7:18pm UTC](https://forum.jrockone.com/t/dir-en-grey/342/1086 "2022-10-15T19:18:52Z")
SHINYA put more passion into drumming here than any DIR EN GREY live I’ve seen. [![](https://forum.jrockone.com/uploads/default/original/3X/0/7/07ff538d7e586d42e8292f4671ed4e7f343c683c.jpeg "SERAPH Concert 2022 Spuren des Ruins / Drums & Piano Duo") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TiFKcT63r8) ---
**Author:** ![DirDude](https://forum.jrockone.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/bc79bd/32.png) [@DirDude](https://forum.jrockone.com/u/DirDude)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2022, 8:32pm UTC](https://forum.jrockone.com/t/dir-en-grey/342/1087 "2022-10-16T20:32:42Z")
Well from my music experience, could just be me but I feel when youre doing something that is purely your own thing and not just being part of a band you do kinda HAVE to put a bit more into it and you’re more invested in it generally. ---
**Author:** ![NewsMan](https://forum.jrockone.com/user_avatar/forum.jrockone.com/newsman/32/7331_2.png) [@NewsMan](https://forum.jrockone.com/u/NewsMan)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2022, 4:13pm UTC](https://forum.jrockone.com/t/dir-en-grey/342/1088 "2022-10-17T16:13:01Z")
I like to think I put an equal amount of effort, care, and enthusiasm into my primary band as I do into my solo work. There’s even some songs my band does that, regardless of whether or not I was the primary writer, I feel more excited about than any of my own personal songs. There’s something magical that happens when my two bandmates and I work together, and we create things I could _never_ create on my own. I guess it could go the other direction for some people though. Where they’ve been in a specific band for so long, and their tastes have diverted from what that band does so much, that they’re just there for the paycheck/what little enthusiasm they still have, but put more effort into their side projects instead. ---
**Author:** ![rekzer](https://forum.jrockone.com/user_avatar/forum.jrockone.com/rekzer/32/1803_2.png) [@rekzer](https://forum.jrockone.com/u/rekzer)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2022, 8:42pm UTC](https://forum.jrockone.com/t/dir-en-grey/342/1089 "2022-10-23T20:42:14Z")
Anyone know a good shopping service that can get me goods from their anniversary tour? I really want that hoodie ![20221023_153957](https://forum.jrockone.com/uploads/default/original/3X/6/5/6574f713a759efb2266c64609333618e3afec672.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Brecat5](https://forum.jrockone.com/user_avatar/forum.jrockone.com/brecat5/32/8931_2.png) [@Brecat5](https://forum.jrockone.com/u/Brecat5)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2022, 2:14am UTC](https://forum.jrockone.com/t/dir-en-grey/342/1090 "2022-10-24T02:14:16Z")
Looks cool ---
**Author:** ![Baroque](https://forum.jrockone.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/c77e96/32.png) [@Baroque](https://forum.jrockone.com/u/Baroque)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2022, 4:14am UTC](https://forum.jrockone.com/t/dir-en-grey/342/1091 "2022-10-24T04:14:43Z")
Has Kyo never written a song? ---
**Author:** ![NowhereGirl](https://forum.jrockone.com/user_avatar/forum.jrockone.com/nowheregirl/32/522_2.png) [@NowhereGirl](https://forum.jrockone.com/u/NowhereGirl)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2022, 1:15pm UTC](https://forum.jrockone.com/t/dir-en-grey/342/1092 "2022-10-24T13:15:43Z")
Kyo has a huge amount of input. Since it can be argued that the actual ‘song’ is the lyrics, vocal line, and melody, technically Kyo has at least had a hand in composing maybe every single DEG song that exists. Supposedly he solo-wrote _「S」_, _The Domestic Fucker Family_, and _HADES_. It’s tough to know exactly who wrote what since _Withering to death._, since from that album on, they list everything as being composed by the entire band even if it’s not true (e.g. 赫 [Aka] is a Die song,). The only way to figure it out is to read interviews and supplementary materials. It’s also difficult to know exactly how much each member puts in. In the last few albums (since DSS?), my understanding is that they all write and record parts separately. ---
**Author:** ![seelentau](https://forum.jrockone.com/user_avatar/forum.jrockone.com/seelentau/32/778_2.png) [@seelentau](https://forum.jrockone.com/u/seelentau)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2022, 1:51pm UTC](https://forum.jrockone.com/t/dir-en-grey/342/1093 "2022-10-24T13:51:05Z")
- 「S」 was composed by 京 - 業 was composed by 京 - 羅刹国 was composed by 京/Die - ain’t afraid to die was composed by 京/Die - The Domestic Fucker Family was composed by 京 - HADES was composed by 京 - THE IIID EMPIRE was composed by 京/Die/Toshiya - 砂上の唄 was composed by 京/Die - RED…[em] was composed by 京/Die - MARMALADE CHAINSAW was composed by 京/Die - 我、闇とて･･･ was composed by 京 - 「欲巣にDREAMBOX」あるいは成熟の理念と冷たい雨 was composed by 京 ---
**Author:** ![NowhereGirl](https://forum.jrockone.com/user_avatar/forum.jrockone.com/nowheregirl/32/522_2.png) [@NowhereGirl](https://forum.jrockone.com/u/NowhereGirl)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2022, 7:21pm UTC](https://forum.jrockone.com/t/dir-en-grey/342/1094 "2022-10-24T19:21:53Z")
@seelentau You should put this info on Kyo’s page on your wiki! That’s where I looked. Do we know if Kyo composed both versions of Karma, Ratsetsukoku, and TDSS, or just the originals? [Previous page](https://forum.jrockone.com/t/dir-en-grey/342.md?page=53) [Next page](https://forum.jrockone.com/t/dir-en-grey/342.md?page=55)