# MUCC - 1997 **URL:** \ **Category:** Reviews\ **Created:** [April 1, 2025, 9:08am UTC](https://forum.jrockone.com/t/mucc-1997/13692 "2025-04-01T09:08:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Kumanosuke](https://forum.jrockone.com/user_avatar/forum.jrockone.com/kumanosuke/32/13438_2.png) [@Kumanosuke](https://forum.jrockone.com/u/Kumanosuke)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2025, 9:15am UTC](https://forum.jrockone.com/t/mucc-1997/13692/21 "2025-04-10T09:15:36Z")
I also feel like they also just tried to jump on the recent 90s nostalgia trend even though they predicted it (!!!) already 10 years ago. Basically T.R.E.N.D.Y. -Paradise from 1997- (even has 1997 in the title too lol) is the same concept Suiren/HATER/1997 represented the nu metal/punk side of the 90s while BLUE/Rainbow/Rendezvous was a nod to dreamy 90s vk/pop/new wave/BUCK-TICK. But the TRENDY EP worked better because it was only 7 (or 8, including the bonus track) songs and not so many. They should have done a mini album “Still T.R.E.N.D.Y. -Paradise from 1997-” or something with less tracks. ---
**Author:** ![Heyt](https://forum.jrockone.com/user_avatar/forum.jrockone.com/heyt/32/877_2.png) [@Heyt](https://forum.jrockone.com/u/Heyt)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2025, 10:19am UTC](https://forum.jrockone.com/t/mucc-1997/13692/22 "2025-04-10T10:19:26Z")
> [@Baroque](#): > > Invader and Daydreamer are even title tracks for the album. This is one thing for me that kind of shows that they didn’t think through this album well enough. So, let’s open this pet peeve of mine up: That’s not limited to those songs. Ever since they released Diorama god knows when I have been seeing patterns in that song repeating like cray in many MUCC songs released after, and that increased in recent times. I have never brought it up because I think people may think I’m crazy but I swear that small bonus christmas song has its tentacles EVERYWHERE. I loved it when it released, now… ok, now I still do but I see it as a secret source of evil ---
**Author:** ![Kumanosuke](https://forum.jrockone.com/user_avatar/forum.jrockone.com/kumanosuke/32/13438_2.png) [@Kumanosuke](https://forum.jrockone.com/u/Kumanosuke)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2025, 10:31am UTC](https://forum.jrockone.com/t/mucc-1997/13692/23 "2025-04-10T10:31:12Z")
> [@Heyt](#): > > I have been seeing patterns in that song repeating like cray in many MUCC songs released after, and that increased in recent times. I mean, not surprising after almost 30 years. lynch., Dir en grey, Nightmare, the GazetteE,… applies to most bands which have been around for that long ---
**Author:** ![Heyt](https://forum.jrockone.com/user_avatar/forum.jrockone.com/heyt/32/877_2.png) [@Heyt](https://forum.jrockone.com/u/Heyt)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2025, 10:42am UTC](https://forum.jrockone.com/t/mucc-1997/13692/24 "2025-04-10T10:42:29Z")
Well, yeah. I’m not saying that’s exclusive to MUCC, not at all. Many bands do self refencial stuff. My point is… Why Diorama? what was so interesting about the resources in that song that they became like a trope within MUCC’s later body of work? ---
**Author:** ![ghost](https://forum.jrockone.com/user_avatar/forum.jrockone.com/ghost/32/29754_2.png) [@ghost](https://forum.jrockone.com/u/ghost)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2025, 11:01am UTC](https://forum.jrockone.com/t/mucc-1997/13692/25 "2025-04-10T11:01:04Z")
Maybe it’s just easy to write music that way for them and less about what’s interesting. It’s hard to keep reinventing yourself so I imagine it’s handy to have a “blueprint” to start with and build off of that. Afterall, this IS a career for them at the end of the day. Or maybe the fanbase in Japan loves this sound. ---
**Author:** ![TrentReznor](https://forum.jrockone.com/user_avatar/forum.jrockone.com/trentreznor/32/56809_2.png) [@TrentReznor](https://forum.jrockone.com/u/TrentReznor)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2025, 11:17am UTC](https://forum.jrockone.com/t/mucc-1997/13692/26 "2025-04-10T11:17:15Z")
I feel they should follow Kizu´s approach for a few years…like they did with the anniversary live-only singles, but releasing the singles normally (maybe they had more artistic freedom for live only releases?) But since now we are heading to the 30th anniversary I expect a bunch of new releases, including greatest hits, selfcovers, rereleases, live albums, etc… So far, based on oricon, the album didnt work as good as they probably expected…is like they lowest charting album since “6”… ---
**Author:** ![rukarukaruka](https://forum.jrockone.com/user_avatar/forum.jrockone.com/rukarukaruka/32/61854_2.png) [@rukarukaruka](https://forum.jrockone.com/u/rukarukaruka)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2025, 11:25am UTC](https://forum.jrockone.com/t/mucc-1997/13692/27 "2025-04-10T11:25:59Z")
If they’re going to make the same song over and over anyway i’d like to request that they make 5 more versions of ieji please and thank you /jk ---
**Author:** ![Baroque](https://forum.jrockone.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/c77e96/32.png) [@Baroque](https://forum.jrockone.com/u/Baroque)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2025, 11:27am UTC](https://forum.jrockone.com/t/mucc-1997/13692/28 "2025-04-10T11:27:23Z")
Just a fast reply.. oh no its not doing well? I forgot how to check it but anyway its really doing that bad? Must be having a bad word of mouth since VK is really niche in Japan. Damn… Or Mucc (tatsuro) relese stuff too often, and fans simply dont have money? People are poor recently, everywhere. 🤔 Overthinking it? ---
**Author:** ![TrentReznor](https://forum.jrockone.com/user_avatar/forum.jrockone.com/trentreznor/32/56809_2.png) [@TrentReznor](https://forum.jrockone.com/u/TrentReznor)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2025, 11:36am UTC](https://forum.jrockone.com/t/mucc-1997/13692/29 "2025-04-10T11:36:42Z")
I saw at oricon that reached number 24 in the weekly album ranking…2222 copies sold. ---
**Author:** ![TrentReznor](https://forum.jrockone.com/user_avatar/forum.jrockone.com/trentreznor/32/56809_2.png) [@TrentReznor](https://forum.jrockone.com/u/TrentReznor)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2025, 11:41am UTC](https://forum.jrockone.com/t/mucc-1997/13692/30 "2025-04-10T11:41:05Z")
I would ask for Samidare too 😄 ---
**Author:** ![Kumanosuke](https://forum.jrockone.com/user_avatar/forum.jrockone.com/kumanosuke/32/13438_2.png) [@Kumanosuke](https://forum.jrockone.com/u/Kumanosuke)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2025, 11:46am UTC](https://forum.jrockone.com/t/mucc-1997/13692/31 "2025-04-10T11:46:56Z")
2000 copies are enough for #22? That doesn’t seem a lot lol ---
**Author:** ![TrentReznor](https://forum.jrockone.com/user_avatar/forum.jrockone.com/trentreznor/32/56809_2.png) [@TrentReznor](https://forum.jrockone.com/u/TrentReznor)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2025, 11:53am UTC](https://forum.jrockone.com/t/mucc-1997/13692/32 "2025-04-10T11:53:48Z")
#24, my bad… usually seems after the big selling bands/artist all goes down with very little differences, but maybe this was a bad week in general, like the number 50 has 717 copies 😅 ---
**Author:** ![Baroque](https://forum.jrockone.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/c77e96/32.png) [@Baroque](https://forum.jrockone.com/u/Baroque)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2025, 12:21pm UTC](https://forum.jrockone.com/t/mucc-1997/13692/33 "2025-04-10T12:21:25Z")
Yeah… 2000 copies in a country with 125 million people… is considered good? ---
**Author:** ![Kumanosuke](https://forum.jrockone.com/user_avatar/forum.jrockone.com/kumanosuke/32/13438_2.png) [@Kumanosuke](https://forum.jrockone.com/u/Kumanosuke)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2025, 12:22pm UTC](https://forum.jrockone.com/t/mucc-1997/13692/34 "2025-04-10T12:22:54Z")
No, exactly what I was saying. I’m surprised that such a little number will get you in the top 30. Not specific to MUCC, but in general. ---
**Author:** ![Heyt](https://forum.jrockone.com/user_avatar/forum.jrockone.com/heyt/32/877_2.png) [@Heyt](https://forum.jrockone.com/u/Heyt)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2025, 1:19pm UTC](https://forum.jrockone.com/t/mucc-1997/13692/35 "2025-04-10T13:19:31Z")
If you sell 1000 copies of your book you are considered a bestseller in the US. 2000 copies of a CD in Japan gets you to chart in the high 20s in the oricon. Sounds about right imo. Mucc are also a big band but they have a major contract so they chart against bands that are like, popular in the real sense unlike them. Like, bands any random person on the street knows and that get their music played on public places. That being said, yes, that’s still a disapointing low number all things considered, regadless of how it charts. ---
**Author:** ![JaneLK](https://forum.jrockone.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/7ea924/32.png) [@JaneLK](https://forum.jrockone.com/u/JaneLK)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2025, 10:32am UTC](https://forum.jrockone.com/t/mucc-1997/13692/36 "2025-04-11T10:32:41Z")
For a visual kei band I think that’s not too bad these days, considering that most people listen to music on streaming platforms. ---
**Author:** ![Hayabusa](https://forum.jrockone.com/user_avatar/forum.jrockone.com/hayabusa/32/82989_2.png) [@Hayabusa](https://forum.jrockone.com/u/Hayabusa)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2025, 8:10am UTC](https://forum.jrockone.com/t/mucc-1997/13692/37 "2025-04-12T08:10:06Z")
This album is so lazy. Lipstick and Boys be an Vicious (for The Mad Capsule Markets false airs) stand out a little but nothing more… ---
**Author:** ![mopkins](https://forum.jrockone.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/c89c15/32.png) [@mopkins](https://forum.jrockone.com/u/mopkins)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2025, 12:33pm UTC](https://forum.jrockone.com/t/mucc-1997/13692/38 "2025-04-12T12:33:09Z")
meanwhile every time I listen to it I’m rediscovering all the really cool parts I love Triangle might be the sleeper hit ---
**Author:** ![Marsouin](https://forum.jrockone.com/user_avatar/forum.jrockone.com/marsouin/32/89391_2.png) [@Marsouin](https://forum.jrockone.com/u/Marsouin)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2025, 6:32pm UTC](https://forum.jrockone.com/t/mucc-1997/13692/39 "2025-04-12T18:32:47Z")
Might be the wrong post but every release makes me feel that way. Do you guys feel the same way? The more MUCC releases new stuff (or just as life goes on), the more I find myself re-evaluating older albums that I now consider part of their core catalog. For example, Shangri-La, which I now see as full of bangers, even though I used to find it bland back then. Or Trendy, which took me a long time to really appreciate. On the flip side, some of the more recent (or not-so-recent) albums like Kowareta… still haven’t really clicked with me (though Shin Sekai has) ---
**Author:** ![Baroque](https://forum.jrockone.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/c77e96/32.png) [@Baroque](https://forum.jrockone.com/u/Baroque)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2025, 7:13pm UTC](https://forum.jrockone.com/t/mucc-1997/13692/40 "2025-04-12T19:13:42Z")
I don’t really know what to say buy they have a really amazing discography. Just randomly open up Trendy and listen to D・f・D, that is a 10/10 banger. Karma’s “Feather”, 10/10 ballad. Such a beautiful song. Or why not Shion’s “Libra”? Another classic 10/10 song. I can probably go on for hours… but yeah their discography “has legs”, or is “alive” or how to say it, it comes and goes, welcomes you back, says goodbye to you, at times. Up to your feeling. But the red thread from the beginning is that there is a sense for catchiness and melodies. So many classics. I hope more and more people will discover their deep rich discography. When you think about it, its pretty crazy how much Miya has come up with since he writes almost all songs. Creativity that has lasted 25 years, and never seems to stop. A genius imo. I think songs sounding similar etc this time, and some songs not working at all, is because he has written the songs while touring last year, aka been busy and most likely exhausted most of the time. But it seems more and more find songs they like on the album 🥰 [Previous page](https://forum.jrockone.com/t/mucc-1997/13692.md?page=1)