Seiya(ex Deviloof) & copyright

[Yukina]

Ryuya is awesome i am happy he still is in touch with the band!

[BaLa-DeDa]

Oh that makes more sense. I don’t know them so I asked someone and they told me it was Seiya lol

I hope they fixed the beef regardless.

[CielSombre]

https://x.com/Mr_seiya/status/1797961504001859913?t=MailZJGSo8lyxaZVidrpwg&s=19

[Rena]

For those without Twitter

[delkmiroph]

Means the band has not intention to pay the fees. such bitchy move!

[honeybear]

He gave the band all the copyrights because the band wouldn’t budge and he was sick of the back and forth.

Strange because it’s pretty easy to get a song taken down from streaming platforms if you file a copyright claim. That’s usually how you get someone to cave and settle.

[CervaCannibale]

I guess he is the bigger person and doesn’t want to harm their business with song take downs.

Still a shame. If he wrote the songs, he should be able to use the rights like every other song writer. Not a good look for the band. But well, in the end that’s one side of the story and maybe there is more to it, that we don’t know.

[Rena]

@honeybear

Strange because it’s pretty easy to get a song taken down from streaming platforms if you file a copyright claim. That’s usually how you get someone to cave and settle.

I know that on YouTube it is not as easy as you think it is, so I wouldn’t have any good hopes for Spotify etc either
And then he is as private musicians up against a major label.

And as @CervaCannibale said there, maybe be is trying to be the better person than them.

[zeus]

I wonder if it’d cost more to settle in his favor than he’d earn back from royalties.

Regardless, I called this a while ago.

@zeus

My opinion is that I don’t believe Seiya is entitled to much in his dispute with DEVILOOF (and note that I’m not versed in Japanese copyright law at all). These issues around royalties and permission to play are things that should be ironed out before the band is formed, or at the very least before you depart.

Yeah, it sucks to see the band you used to be in nick your unfinished licks and continue to play your songs - which are arguably among some of the best they’ve got - without giving you much consideration. But when those songs were composed, there was no consideration for anyone to play the songs but DEVILOOF. The songs were composed for DEVILOOF. DEVILOOF is still playing those songs, whether Seiya is in the band or not. They have no reason to stop playing those songs just because Seiya is no longer in the band. If they do, cool - if they don’t, too bad.

Now if they had some arrangement up front where Seiya gets royalties for the songs that he composed, and he hasn’t gotten paid, then honor that arrangement and pay up. If you didn’t have the foresight to arrange that before you left the band, sorry but you’re outta luck. It’s just business, and if Seiya composed at least 60% of DEVILOOF’s back catalog then it’s also unreasonable to demand they stop playing them and then completely synthesize new songs on the spot. Sorry, but any DEVILOOF concert that doesn’t have Gouzinzangoku or Dusky-Vision is a concert missing two staples.

@zeus

So what I’m basically saying is that while I agree that he should get paid, I don’t think that he will. That’s what I meant when I said that he wasn’t entitled to much; I don’t think there’s much in the way of recompense that he could (reasonably) ask for. What’s done has been done, and I’m not sure that the new label is going to care about stolen demos from releases that aren’t theirs, so I’m not sure how the shakedown for the major label will go. Hopefully he gets paid somehow, but the odds aren’t looking good.

[gilnyangi]

I think it’s a combo of what Rena and Zeus said.

First of all, it’s very possible that he has no legal ground to stand on. It might seem morally correct for him to retain sole copyrights, but it might very much not be so legally. It’s quite common here in Korea to have labor contracts where anything you produce during the contract period becomes sole property of your employer. The money and recognition is tied to the collective group as opposed to the individual. Whether or not the others contributed isn’t really relevant unless it’s written into the contract.

In addition, it’s hard for him to be going against a more popular group. If he DID manage to copystrike some Deviloof songs, he would draw the ire of all Deviloof fans. Fighting with a group now signed to a larger label could also make him look troublesome and nuke his reputation and future career. It’s better to not waste his time and energy on this further and focus on his music moving ahead, so he’s making a very smart decision.

[anadentone]

simple solution: hire him as their song writer, he gets the major label writer’s cut , the band becomes famous-er with more br00tlly songs than their last crap, they make more money, he makes more money and the label makes more money. It’s a win-win-win!

[TheZigzagoon]

Either that or laugh at Deviloof when they fall flat on their asses when people realise Seiya was the only reason they were worth signing lmao

[Baroque]

The Deviloof members have more important things to do, such as posting silly videos on social media.

[TheZigzagoon]

Is this some weird fever dream or did Aisaku once drink lean on Instagram live??