It’s not exact, but I hear the intro to Massive Attack’s Angel in the intro to Kiyoharu’s hikari
Yeah, I remember I clocked this one too, funny.
Now I know why I liked this song
At around 23 seconds sounds similar to
at around 1:03
So much so that when I listen to one song I think of the other.
And the first vocal line is a rip off of obscure by DIR EN GREY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWN_o01W8bQ
https://youtu.be/Z5g5dPDQpIo?si=itEGhR5XRmjvi-Do&t=2158
given what megaten in general sounds like, pretty sure Masuko cribbed it from DEAD END of course, not the other way around
edit: forgot how the hell to have youtube embeds here
What I’m about to go over is old news in anime circles. But somehow we’ve made it 271 posts without anyone bringing up this particular instance of plagiarism, and this topic isn’t restricted to just Visual Kei music, so allow me to bring up something I just discovered a few days ago.
The Plagiarism of Kenji Yamamoto
Kenji Yamamoto (山本 健司, Yamamoto Kenji; born July 1, 1958) is a Japanese composer and arranger who has been responsible for producing and composing soundtracks, including opening and ending sequence themes for various anime, tokusatsu and video game projects in the 1980s, 1990s, and 2000s, mostly related to the Dragon Ball franchise. He has worked on soundtracks of various Dragon Ball video games.
This particular instance of plagiarism is attributed to Dragonball Z Kai, but plenty of examples exist throughout his discography. On March 9, 2011, Toei Animation publicly acknowledged that many of Yamamoto’s musical works for the series infringed upon unidentified third-party copyrights. As a result, Toei fired Yamamoto and replaced his compositions with those from the original Dragon Ball Z series written by Shunsuke Kikuchi. Due to the discovery of plagiarism in his compositions by Toei, they were replaced in Dragon Ball Z: Budokai HD Collection and later copies of Dragon Ball: Raging Blast 2.
Here are just a few examples of his work:
Yes, he stole the theme from the Avatar movie. Yes the theme is fire.
Thanks to Budokai, I know Stratovarius kicks ass.
Give it a few but he steals one of the riffs from Iron Man.
The Bruce Faulconer score definitely bought him a few years because ain’t no way he would have gotten away with some of these.
It even extends back to the SNES era. Yes, that is Eleanor Rigby. Man has some balls on him to copy this blatantly.
He copies from everyone, Yoko Kanno and The Seatbelts included.
Despite all the plagiarism, I still find myself preferring the Yamamoto soundtrack for Dragonball Z Kai. Something about using Cell Games music in Saiyan Saga screams peak lazy to me.
Yoko Kanno and Her Inspirations
Got some bad news for fans of Yoko Kanno. Might wanna look away. This isn’t new information if you’ve been around the OST circles for over a decade, but somehow we’ve gotten this deep in the topic without anyone bringing it up. So I posted a few examples and am gonna go through them to see if she’s plagiarizing or if this is an unfortunate case of similarities.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84nl25p0los&list=RD84nl25p0los&start_radio=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWd9GhoRGy4&list=RDlWd9GhoRGy4&start_radio=1
This one is pretty damning.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzEgPbd0hfo&list=RDvzEgPbd0hfo&start_radio=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hMb0FRjP_0&list=RD1hMb0FRjP_0&start_radio=1
This one too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5P8D4c_LzQM&list=RD5P8D4c_LzQM&start_radio=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Da7ipt2xQn0&list=RDDa7ipt2xQn0&start_radio=1
This one is debatable, but the similarities are there if you look for them.
https://youtu.be/liYO3LPwlFk?si=cDqntHKwZQQhf_ID&t=71
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWxXM5Xqeyk&list=RDNWxXM5Xqeyk&start_radio=1
I almost fell outta my chair listening to this one. Gotta skip to 1:11 so I did that for ya.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQkn8dwSh6k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQq3efw8sxg
The beginning tune is similar. Notice that Kanno used the same climb (1:20 in “Une Heroine” and 1:35 for “Cloud 9”). And both songs have a harmonica solo in the middle. It’s pretty obvious to me that “Cloud 9” is modified from “Une Heroine”.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVUFo7Axp9w&list=RDWVUFo7Axp9w&start_radio=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-n7G9SF71c&list=RD9-n7G9SF71c&start_radio=1
This was the song that started this entire ordeal. The similarities are stunning!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3lXVSDU2jE&list=RDt3lXVSDU2jE&start_radio=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDpuZyri0rM
Another comparison that’s hard to deny.
I’m not gonna say she’s plagiarizing, but I’d like to see what’s on her Spotify wrapped!
oooooh i’m a huge enormous Wolf’s rain fan so i’m just gonna delete what i just saw from my memory. Never been there saw nothing about Yoko Kanno or this thread ![]()
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Yoko Kanno and Some More Of Her Inspirations
There’s more.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sujd6pRY-NI&list=PLu-KpemMmQ7jQYXNLOgzQFRWD5vTqR2S0&index=2
Bjork’s Hyperballad & Yoko Kanno’s Where Does This Train Go? I can see the similarities here in the vocal melodies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKZedCwd5zA&list=PLu-KpemMmQ7jQYXNLOgzQFRWD5vTqR2S0&index=3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfUpn6pJFrs&list=PLu-KpemMmQ7jQYXNLOgzQFRWD5vTqR2S0&index=4
This one is so similar that when I heard the vocals come in on Hyperballad I knew exactly which Yoko Kanno song it was. Inexcusable. hooverphonic’s battersea & Yoko Kanno’s cyberbird.
These two are pretty similar as well. Lunatic Calm’s Leave You Far Behind vs. Yoko Kanno’s Pushing the sky.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEt8H0SK33s&list=PLu-KpemMmQ7jQYXNLOgzQFRWD5vTqR2S0&index=12
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyI635o2pmk&list=PLu-KpemMmQ7jQYXNLOgzQFRWD5vTqR2S0&index=13
Yoko definitely took the brass section and switched it up a little. Bo Kaspers Orkester’s En världsomsegling under havet against Yoko Kanno’s The Real Folk Blues.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUxIaT7mU2Y&list=PLu-KpemMmQ7jQYXNLOgzQFRWD5vTqR2S0&index=18
I just used this track by her in a playlist so it stings. The whole concept of Fish after Ben Del Maestro finishes singing is a straight rendition of Craig Armstrong’s Ruthless Gravity. It’s easy for me to see that it inspired Yoko Kanno’s Fish ~ silent cruise.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwMtQ4sDpD4&list=PLu-KpemMmQ7jQYXNLOgzQFRWD5vTqR2S0&index=20
There’s fucking comments on the YouTube video that says “Cowboy Bebop brought me here”. Case closed. Tom Waits Midtown vs. Yoko Kanno’s Bad Dog No Biscuit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUWA1b_9Gg4&list=PLu-KpemMmQ7jQYXNLOgzQFRWD5vTqR2S0&index=24
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgsAO6Ca0fc&list=PLu-KpemMmQ7jQYXNLOgzQFRWD5vTqR2S0&index=25
These have very similar openings but I struggle to see much of a similarity beyond that. Maybe my ears are getting worn out by this point.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PRXwtdmjcA&list=PLu-KpemMmQ7jQYXNLOgzQFRWD5vTqR2S0&index=27
You have to wait two minutes in the Yoko Kanno video for the similarities to start coming through. But they are there. Too obvious to ignore once Ilaria starts singing. Way Out West featuring Kirsty Hawkshaw - Stealth vs. Yoko Kanno’s somewhere in the silence.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDIqjeHN_ds&list=PLu-KpemMmQ7jQYXNLOgzQFRWD5vTqR2S0&index=29
OH C’MON! I can’t even defend this one.
And the sad thing is that there is still more. Maybe I’ll do a part 3.
Honestly i’m more pissed that she ruined partially the Wolf’s rain experience for me than i feel bad for her. Her ratty stealing ass deserves it and need accountability to her actions !
and yeah I listened to some of the comaprisions and it’s pretty shocking how she didn’t even try to mask the whole thing
a+ for the nonchalance.
( The heaven’s not enough and Face On noooooooooo ![]()
it’s too similar )
from now one it’s gonna be thank you craig Armstrong ( whoever you are ) for the great music you gave us for Wolf’s rain ![]()
such a shame for all the other artists she copied on too !
Again I was NOT expecting to somehow be able to contribute to this thread again, but repeated mentions of Onmyoza (might be @x51715x ‘s magic) means that they eventually shuffled on:
Intro made me immediately think of
The Yoko Kanno/Guniw Tools Secret Cover Album, a classic.