What are the "big old three" in your opinion?

I don’t think it’s possible to simplify it to three, mainly because musically the scene is way too all over the place…

you can roughly sum the base of it all to X JAPAN, D’ERLANGER, DEAD END, BUCK-TICK, KUROYUME and LUNA SEA.

but just for the sake of the question, I’d say X, B-T and LS, as they probably covers the most ground possible, influence-wise

it is simply fucked up to leave morrie out, as he is the inspiration of EVERYONE, but oh well…

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For me, overall, it’s L’Arc-en-Ciel, GLAY and Kuroyume. I think those three had the best balance of success, longevity and influence on the J-rock/VK scene. But I’m partial to the more pop side of VK, so there’s some of my own bias in there.

I think DIR EN GREY, MUCC and the GazettE would be good picks if we’re talking specifically about the overseas VK fandom, but I’d probably swap L’Arc in for MUCC since I think they’ve got a bit broader of a following because of their anime themes.

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This user on note created a list of the bands from that vk genealogy television program I watched several years ago, and it seemed to check out for me (goes up to the 2010s.) You would just have to pick your three from each era:

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NUMBER GIRL, Eastern Youth, and Bloodthirsty Butchers

…oh wait, wrong forum!

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DIMLIM, 8P-SB, Initial’L,

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Maria, Kiwamu, Kisaki

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This is dentist’s dreamy top-3

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the real vk tree: https://x.com/vr_noru/status/1934884405077836284

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Because of how well known and old some bands are, i think they are Malice Mizer (but could be replaced with Buck-Tick), Luna Sea(but if there are any other bands that are considered big 3, you can replace it with them), and X Japan, which is for obvious reasons

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I understand many want to include Buck Tick and while I know everything that happened, they haven’t really had that big of a commercial success if you compare to X Japan, L’arc, glay … etc. These bands were also on regular tv shows in japan all the time at the time, that is huge. but i guess we all can define it different and dont care about sales.

Then after all DeG, Gazette and Mucc are the kings for me.

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Buck-Tick solos all of them on quality alone, so it all depends on what criteria you want to go with. Commercial success? Maybe not, but influence, quality, and longevity? Absolutely.

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generally and in an objective way X Japan, Luna Sea, L’aruku ? the obvious Big 3 !

When I joined the VK craze it was more like GazettE, An cafe, DeG.. but I feel like the first lineup is more “ timeless “ in a certain way

( but this second lineup had the best balance ! cool boys, scary boys, cute fluffy boys, pretty much different styles for everyones taste :relieved_face: )

truuue, people who says that are mostly Gen Z ! I noticed that this new Vk fans gen are very into Malice Mizer and Buck Tick :astonished_face: ( which is great, because BT were super underrated ( when it comes to general opinion ) back in the days )

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I fight so badly back against naming my three which are so painfully biased with no base in reality that this whole thread would implode.

I’m against putting Buck-Tick in a vk-big three because they transcend visual kei. They are doing big packed budokan concerts every new year for a while. They are popular, but not visual kei popular and not X Japan popular. It’s more like wine mom kei kinda vibes

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I’d say for j-rock/metal: Loudness, Anthem, Dead End

For vk: the standard Luna Sea, Buck-Tick, X-Japan.

My personal big three for vk: Kagrra, Deshabillz, Syndrome

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You can’t just post that without delivering. Come on give us something to discuss :laughing:

Dimlim, Nocturnal bloodlust if we ignore the chaotic later parts of their career and R-Shitei

otherwise I would go with

Avelcain, R-shitei and Mamireta

But…okay, you can argue how big these bands are, but they are certainly not old :sweat_smile:

Now I know what you meant with this :wink:

An Cafe, SuG, LM.C

X, Aion, and Color hands down.

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