Dir En Grey has been around for many years now even before AI was created they have managed to make very gross, beautiful and even questionable art without AI for so many years and now they want to turn to it? Visual Kei is suppose to mean Visual music meaning you don’t need lyrics to showcase what your trying to show off you use clothes, accesories, sets on stage, backdrops on stage to portray what you can’t with words.
I’m sure they most def paid there past artists and for crazy backdrop designs but for AI to understand “oh you want this!” so it can make similar they would have to plug in there paid art to create it and I don’t know how the artists would feel about that when Dir En Grey has more then enough money to commision more stuff more gore? then commision it what can AI do that a normal artist cant? make a 6 arm double headed human yeah, an artist can do that as well
AI is a tool and currently still involves human input and decisions and in that sense is still their art or their expression (regardless if less talent or effort is needed or not) and it’s only going to get better and be used more frequently. Personally don’t care as long as what I’m seeing intrigues me. This is alright - I still will probably like Ranunculus the most.
Here is the thing:
an artist does honest mistakes like getting the simplified arm anatomy slightly messed up.
They would NEVER unintentionally draw a third arm.
The people who look over the AI are not artists, they have no sense for natural versus unnatural movements, no sense of proper anatomy, lightning, expression and emotion and etc.
The expression of the art is the only thing those AI bros can check upon for anything else they lack all necessarily knowledge, which is also why there is always undoubtedly a loss in quality.
This is like pop culture media but as pure cooperational slob and never made by artists.
Nothing will ever beat good old craftmanship, NEVER. I am not looking forward to see more and more things in the entertainment industry be made in AI (sure there are fields where it makes sense to implement). We are currently just ONE step away from it going completely nuts. A big majority will for example use it to save money to hire real people with real talent to create things, or just because they are lazy. It is not going to be pretty.
For me AI has the kind of feeling of CGI-orgies in say marvel movies. There is some kind of “lightness” to it that I don’t like, there is no weight and you can really feel that its fake.
If humanity couldn’t get lazier than it already is, AI will take it a step further… And I say it again, its not going to be pretty.
Fun fact in the past I used to occasionally play with AI image generators (of course I used a free version while using an add blocker to block really all profit)
When my prompt had a lot of people in it for whatever reason every generated image ends up having intense amount of pink without having anything about colours in my prompts. In other words this comes from the limitation of its own medium not like anything artistic with meaning on its own.
This would be a decent point if the “people” in the video were meant to look like normal humans - then something like a third arm would be jarring and take you out of the intended experience. But they’re clearly intended to be some kind of surreal demons and so even the bizarre-ness of current AI works with it. If they really had an issue with it then they could have had another artist touch it up.
I’m positive everyone knows humans don’t have 3 arms and leaving that in wasn’t an overlooked mistake. You don’t know who looked at the AI here or anywhere and they could have knowledge of all of these things and still choose to go against what looks natural because that’s never been a necessity for art.
If you don’t like any art produced using AI now or ever in the future then that’s fine.
And if you like it, thats fine.
I personally don’t think its a good addition to humanity when it comes to entertainment productions/creativity. Its only going to make lazy people even lazier. Well I am sure it will get better with time, then I might change my opinion but right now it feels like what CGI feels for movies. CGI might look cool as heck if you for example take a picture of an action sequence, but if press play and watch that action sequence in motion - it all lacks any kind of weight, looks floaty and fake. You can really see them jumping around there in the green rooms. The Avengers movies are a good example - the best tech in the world that costs hundreds of millions of dollars, but is still not convincing at all.
Why do you think action from the 80s had such an amazing weight to it? It truly felt so heavy, so real, so grounded, so HEAVY and you could feel it in your bones! Do you think its because they didn’t have cgi? Do you think those classic action masterpieces would be better with mostly cgi? No, its because they had to use goddamn practical effects. Thats why when they rarely recently use practical effects in movies, it comes off as much better and people praise it.
Many praise Top Gun Maverick as one of the best action movies for decades. Why do you think it was such an amazing movie that almost made you feel the g-force up your balls (lol sorry for the expression but it was like that for me). Why do you think it became such a hit? Of course its the direction and writing, but its also because Tom did EVERYTHING he could to avoid CGI. People miss those times, the good old times when everything wasn’t fake.
Good old craftmanship will always beat computers, to the end of time.
here the example baroque has posted once before, proving that yes appearantly not everyone knows that people not have three arms or are simply to lazy to fix it expecting our audience is stupid enough to oversee it.
Alongside it look at how messy the hand looks and how it appearantly glides trough space trough a fifth dimension glitch. Also the eyes of the person laying which could be as well be mistaken as mushrooms without further context from the image supposing it on a head
As well the lips and nose have become one undefined mush which you only still recognise as both because the context of the image
Yeah I simply think its rushed. Too bad because a DeG single is a big event… Well I guess if the song is an absolute masterpiece its all forgiven, this time.
I agree tbh but I guess VK is not ready to move onto mugshots of wallmart Karens arrested for assaulting parking lot attendants to portray the homicidal whitey archetype
this is such a weird take to justify the shitty AI render that is practically impossible to clean-up with a real artist or video retouching or whatever else because there’re no source models with clean rigging and texturing and lighting set-up - there’s just lots of buggy approximated filth thrown to portray a neural network rendition of what they hoarded from public artist output and made the technology available
this video is literally the next iteration of ugliness compared to AI cover art and there’re still people simping for the idea, like wow… the human worldview will never cease to amaze me with its nuance!!!
i don’t want to post in that thread to bloat it further (feel free to open one yourself if you want to share some feels) but if you’re riding that harr-harrr-get-with-the-times train, capcom banned AI art from studio use:
there’s an open lawsuit going on against midjourney etc, and their TOS explicitly make it clear that the legal risks associated with ai gen are now taken by the users:
and on top of that, Japan has several trade unions for artists and illustrators, and the infamous anal Japanese copyright thing works in both ways:
I’m not holding my hopes up a lot (there’s so much money fueled into AI at the moment it’s naive to think there’s no higher level bribery being involved), but there will be resistance to this thing.
on a personal level, I find it so funny how many people RAN to get their hyper-realistic CGI fix done once the price dropped to pennies per attempt, while same people would never invest into paying for artist workhours to get same result conventionally.
There is amazing CGI (Pirates of the Caribbean as an example) and lame practical effects. Like everything it depends on who’s behind it more than anything.
I’m indifferent to it as a medium like with CGI. As long as it works - in this case it’s fine even with the weirdness due to the subject matter. I’ve seen things more offensive to my eyes that were drawn out bit by bit by real human artists.
I’ve seen the picture and my point still stands. As the video is clearly intended to be a surreal hellscape like a bad acid trip the nature of current AI is working with their intentions not against them.
I know that, depressingly, many people out there don’t have an eye to tell ai gen garbage from artwork made by hard working human hands. But for me and many others, seeing imagery made with AI is just so overwhelmingly unsettling and not in a horror movie way, but more in a “oh God this machine has no idea what real life looks like” kind of way.
Unless DEG’s new PV is supposed to point out the absolute horror that AI poses to the creative human spirit, I think whatever the subject matter truly is, is lost.
Here’s the thing about 99% of all AI gen stuff I see. It lacks the concept design phase that most art goes through. Because you can’t tell an AI how to make the exact same unique character, prop, or concept every time, they just go for. Things look different from one scene to the next and there is just this vague sense of continuity.
Aside from the ethical and spiritual nature of the topic, AI just looks objectively worse than anything.
This is true but somehow AI stuff looks the same when you want to create diffrent images. I noticed this on instagram when they create “diffrent” rooms with a certain aesthetic. It somehow is alwa,s samish. If you told a human a concept for a room and ask them to create diffrent pictures the outcome would have much more variety and creativity. And that’s the thing. AI is random and not creative.
My outlook on use of AI is that I’m just vehemently against the use of it commercially. (You could make an argument that just I’m tilted because I’m a creative, but )
I do some commercial VO work and have had to write into service agreements that I don’t consent to the use of AI to replicate my voice, even though I’m sure I won’t run into that issue for a while. Why? I’ve already had quite a few friends come out and talk about whole production companies using AI to modulate their voice and create new lines without their consent.
As someone said, even though AI requires human input, it outright displaces human creators from… well, creating. And it does that by indexing media (that people put their hearts into) and just forming it into something that’s just not human. Its benefactors (who are most definitely tech heads, business people or marketing moguls) make a dime off of people’s hard work without their input or consent, and it still has the gall to be ugly and expressionless on top of that.
For a movement of music that heavily influenced how I express myself and create, I’m disappointed to see that AI will become the norm. These companies will continue to save their precious pennies while looking you dead in the eye and telling you that being an (insert creative profession here) isn’t a real job.
TLDR: AI is becoming horrifyingly prevalent in our media, and I’m disappointed at how quickly it’s adopted
EDIT: I’m on mobile and didn’t mean to make this a reply, my bad
If it’s allowed to make full blown music videos then why not allow it to make the music? that’s a musican job? well AI took all the artists who would have worked on the backdrop, lighting, sounds etc in the music video so why doesn’t it just replace your job as a music artist as well
That’s the problem with AI is that both art and music artists have to fight for there positions to exist anymore and I don’t think there is a “co existing” bond between AI and artists that can exist yeah, it can make similar designs to the artists that it was told to do but an artist can also make that themselfs
Midjourney one of the leading AI artists tools is becoming so powerful you can’t tell the difference between AI and real so, what doesn’t it stop a tool like Midjourney from diving into the Music genre and just taking over that it’s not a tool to make a reality that an art artist can’t express your desires it’s a tool that is trying to take over all of humanity jobs that can be done with robots
I think musicians like visual kei bands can’t be as easily replaced as the artists that make the music video. Because it’s part of vk amd other music scenes to idolize the people. Bangyas make no sense when there are no members.
However I think it opens the door to more cases like “Milli Vanilli”.
If you don’t know it was a music duo that was casted for their looks to star in music videos and sing playback to vocals of someone else. It was discovered when the playback tape stuck in a loop mid concert and caused a huge scandal. They even had to give back their Grammy Award.
It’s already a thing in k-pop to use autotune a lot because looks are more important than singing. Also Vocaloid is a sing so there will surely be AI Idols at some point. Probably not in vk, tho.
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