I never notice this sort of thing, and I kind of never want to. It’s street magic, I know there is a trick, but knowing exactly what trick would ruin the fun
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Lol stay away from live performances then because You’ll eventually hear it. Stick to studio and make the effort to never learn about music production so you can enjoy the blissful ignorance
Gianizm Ten by Nightmare this one has VERY heavy pitch correction throughout you’ll probably hear it without trying as you can even hear his voice crackling being snapped on pitch. But focus on the held notes such as 2:31 and 3:51 you’ll hear an unnaturally straight note. A common counter is that maybe the singer is “just that good” which we know can’t be the case with Yomi
Baretta by The Gazette in 2006 this one is slightly more subtle but to the untrained ear is very well hidden. But a very noticeable point is the word “yorisoeba” at 2:12 and “warau darou” at 2:56. Someone who knows a little more about vocals would recognize that Ruki is actually reaching quite a bit to stay in key. Clearly an uncomfortable part of his register and he slips out of key a bit. Yet somehow he is perfectly on pitch at times which is just not realistic. That form of singing just wasn’t sustainable which is why he drops that singing style and focuses on maturing his more comfortable register. Their 2018 performance of Baretta actually is not pitch corrected. Ruki sings it in a more comfortable key and I for one think it’s a much better performance both vocally and stage presence from Ruki, Aoi, and Uruha.
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All those artists and bands don’t understand that the beauty is to keep everything the most natural possible. And if the music is good, emotions will come to the audience, whatever if singer is off or not.
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But it’s most certainly not the artists, just an industry thing really. And yeah that’s what I meant @chrisXlr8r - funny how some of us have come to expect corrections in recorded lives isn’t it? It shouldn’t be the case, yeah.
It’s difficult to believe they don’t listen to their live dvds, or they absolutely cannot talk to their management about it.
Ive never really noticed this to any point it’s a problem. Pretty sure most DVDs i have dont really have any major edits to the performance especially as some there are blatant mistakes, instruments on occasion a bit out of tune and vocals being off but this is what makes a live performance, seeing that these musicians, no matter how professional or experienced they are, still havr difficulties live sometimes.
They absolutely do. There’s no way they don’t notice. With Nightmare they like to show parts of their concert releases in their Bakuretsu web show thing and they never mentioned anything about it. Hard to believe professional musicians don’t notice an altered vocal
so it’s not an " industry thing ", they accept and embrace it.
yes because everyone else is doing it too? that’s what I meant by an industry thing
okay so I misunderstood. I agree with this.
I just think it’s the wrong direction if an artist or band is looking for honesty in their music.
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Huh, interesting, thanks for the examples and the insightful explanations! I guess I’ll remain deaf/blind to this thing, cuz I was reaaally trying hard to notice anything weird but they all sounded pretty natural/normal to me. 
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In that case i recommend you check out Wings of Pegasus. He does tons of videos about this type of thing but he also brings out a pitch monitoring software which will directly show you how pitch correction works and how it will sound and look
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I also don’t notice it and I won’t make any afford to change this. Honestly, what would I gain? The lives will be pitch corrected anyway and when I actively try to hear it and it starts to bother me, I have gained nothing I choose blissful ignorance in this case.
Like someone else said in another thread. They feel kinda sorry for people who are well versed in music because it sometimes makes it harder to enjoy music.
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Lol in that case be ready for me to point it out every now and then. I pointed out the pitch correction in the D last concert release on a different thread
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The D example was the most prominent I saw you point out, it almost sounded like autotune it was that heavy. I find Ruki’s use to be tasteful (also when I saw him live he was nearly perfectly on pitch). The nightmare case I wouldn’t have noticed, but the key being that if his voice was cracking just before the note (which it was), it shouldn’t have lended to such a perfect note (which happened).
Does Ruki use autotune live ? From what I saw it was just pitch corrected after the fact but the concert itself was entirely live. With Nightmare there are differing examples some stronger than others and even within the same concerts they won’t use pitch correction on all of the songs
I dont think he does. From the handful of dvds of theirs i own, I dont even think he is pitch corrected either as he sounds pretty normal to me. You can usually tell when pitch correcting has been used fairly easily and I dont sense it here. Like listen to RAZOR for example, the studio vocals are 100% edited but on the live releases I am certain this is not the case, especially considering on rare moments Ryoga is so off it makes me wince. Haha.
They dont typically pitch correct everything. In the Gazette concert where Baretta is pitch corrected, there are later songs where Ruki has some notable voice cracks which obviously weren’t corrected. Pitch correction be pretty subtle and the little bit I’ve seen of Razor they do it pretty heavy. They don’t seem like a good reference point since it’s already extreme. The Gazette uses what most would call “tasteful” wherein the parts that are pitch corrected are generally subtle enough the average person won’t notice. And if you don’t hear it in the Baretta performance I linked, then that’s precisely why you don’t hear it.
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You didnt link anything? If you send it id be happy to check it out to see if I can catch anything.
RAZOR is a great example, i dont get why youre saying its not. Literally, studio stuff, corrected to hell, like you say possibly to an extreme level. Haha. Live, not at all, i feel like if youre saying there are pitch corrections in their live releases you are only convincing yourself.