How come I only see young girls in the audience?
I cant wait to hear how the new single will turn out!
How come I only see young girls in the audience?
I cant wait to hear how the new single will turn out!
Sorry my man, canât afford going to their gigs yet
I had the exact opposite thought after seeing their latest concert pic.
âThe crowd is sure getting older, we are the next dad rock bandâ
I only see young girls and it is famous that vk bands only have young girls as their fans, to find a man is like trying to find waldo. Check the audiences of any vk bandâs concert, if you can, and its more or less always only girls. And all this, there is nothing wrong with it!
But it is an interesting phenomenon indeed
young girls? the average gazette fan is in their 30s
How do you know that? But of course it might be true, anyway it is interesting that audiences for jrockbands, even the brooootal ones - are girls (I have mentioned this in another thread here so that is why you might feel dejavu, sorry). To find a man in a VK audience is like finding waldo. Same for Gazette. Could it be because the girls/women find the band members attractive/sexy? So number 1 reason for them to go to their concert is what I mentioned above, and the music itself comes as secondary.
I mean if the music was the only reason, you would imagine that it would mostly be guys going to broootal band concerts, where they are screaming so hard that you almost get deaf. But in the west i is the opposite.
In the west death metal bands concert audiences are the generally the opposite, rather there to find a woman is finding waldo (I know gurls go too but overall).
I love Gazette by the way so if you got the impression that I write this to in some kind of weird way make fun of them, that is absolutely not the case. Again, I just find this whole phenomenon interesting/intriguing.
That the west, or the us and EU - and Japan more or less are the complete opposite.
Its not really a diffrences between the west and Japan. The western VK audience is equally female.
I think itâs the mix. Itâs called VISUAL kei for a reason. Both is important. If Iâd hate the music no amout of hot bandmembers could change that. GazettE members are especially handsome but I will never like DIM. Even stopped following them for a while and only came back when I liked their newer stuff better.
The mix of music, visuals and a bit of parasocial relationship is doing it for me. Itâs nice to know all the members names and have an âimageâ of them. Thatâs clearly mostly stage persona but I personally prefer that over real scandals and stuff.
I also like some western bands but I only ever know the names of the vocalist if anyone at all. But between Ruki, Kai, Reita, Aoi and Uruha I canât even tell who is my favorite because they are all great and charismatic
How do I know what? that the average gazette fan is in their 30s? Easy. I can go to their shows and I have eyes. But snark aside, itâs simple math:
If someone got into them at 15 - which is what iâd consider a young girl - in their heyday of 2007-2011, theyâd be 30-33 now. And while I highly doubt that most of their crowds in the 2002- 2011 era were 15 year olds - middle/high school students donât have that much money - again, they would all be 30 - 38 by now.
And anyway, the gazette is one of the bands that have a reasonable percentage of men attending their shows. It is definitely not like finding Waldo (which, I assume, is like 1/500). Itâs more like 1/10. A lot of the younger generation of bandmen got into the scene by looking up to the gazette, which would be ridiculous odds if 1/100 out of 1/500 male fans became bandmen themselves. It doesnât make sense.
I feel like the fact that you keep bringing this up is really strange. Why the fixation on young girls?
add, like, 5 years thereâŚ
gztt were really big pretty much since 2004, and i donât think they lost that many early fans majoring (they did, but not on miyavi or 2003/2007 levels of deg losing domestic fans and sales)
their 2011/sony wave of fans might be a bit younger bc. they had an anime single at that time, but most of their western online clout are still here, even if some left for kpop or some other shit
their core domestic fans are def not young girlies, theyâre a millennial band
I will come back with a longer reply, but first thank you for the replies ruka and cerva and nekk.
Why I say there are mostly young girls is because I lived/partly live in Japan and have been to so many lives through the years. Gazette a few times, DeG, Mucc, Matenrou Opera etc. And I have seen the "phenomenon " with my own eyes. I remember one specific DeG concert, I tried to count the amount of men and I could see like one or two when the they changed the lightning to the audience. I am not kidding. And it was a quite big venue and sold out.
A band like Glay which I love, which is considered to be a ârockâ band even though its more ârock popâ, there it is always like fifty fifty women and men.
I am sure more men would like to go to VK concerts but they feel ashamed because they know almost no other guys go, which of course is sad. Japanese people âcareâ about things like this really much.
I have also been to the US and gone to like 5 metal/hardrock/deathmetal or whatever you call it bands and its like 85% guys and 15% women, maybe the men number is even higher. It was the same when I went to one concert in Germany when I traveled in the country.
Cheers!
my dude, I live in Japan and go to visual kei lives regularly. I actually average about 4 lives a month.
Iâve been to all the bands you listed except for Matenrou.
50/50 is a good split. what is it that you want? 85/15 men to women? You could go to like an all-female band or female underground idol groupâs show and see a 90% male audience if you wanted. Whatâs your point?
Nice to meet another person who lives in Japan. Yes I also go regulary, and believe it or not I went to a Mucc concert today in their hometown Mito ć°´ć¸.
Yeah those idol things are creepy imo, and there everyone knows more or less only men go so no men who are interested doubt about going.
At last, you donât have to sound rude. I hope you dont have the classic Gaijin-IamLonely-depression.
Thatâs strange. Maybe there just werenât many guys around you. Iâve been to Matenrou Opera and Kizu in Japan, and Dir en grey in Europe, and at all of those shows there were at least 25% men. Unfortunately, I never managed to see the Gazette live, but even at Kizu concert the average age of the audience was around 30, there were even some much older people)
You are mixing two diffrent things here. You canât compare a western metal bands audience in the west with a visual kei audience in Japan.
If you compare vk audience in Japan and in the west both will have more woman. If you compare western band audience in Japan and the west both will have more men.
Your thought process is probably western metal = vk metal.
But itâs not that easy. Yes, a lot of VK is metal. But VK itself has no genre. An Cafe is as much VK as Gazette, there is even VK Enka. Visual kei is beyond music genre. It is a music scene with diffrent genres but the trend is loud kei (aka metal). The scene has itâs own rules and special things and one of it is, that it caters to woman.
We already have a thread were me and others wrote about the things that make it attractiv for women. For example the things it has in common with k-pop.
I understand @rukarukaruka 's question why it seems to bother you so much. Because one could interpret it as âit makes you uncomfortable to enjoy something that is enjoyed by womanâ. If thatâs the case, it really shouldnât. A lot of times womanâs hobbies or intrests are seen as inferior. A nice example is that at the beginning the Beatles got famous with woman and it was frownd upon. Over time men started to like them as well and suddenly it wasnât âhysterical teenage girlsâ anymore but sophisticated taste in music. Donât be that guy
To the âyoung girlâ question. You probably just assume woman in their 30âs are younger. Believe me a woman in her late 30âs looks younger than you think
This is my opinion about this topic. I feel its hard to judge the gazette fan base on which has more types of fans: male or female, age etc⌠There are to many factors involved with this.
Despite what other people are saying here in my experience this is very true. Maybe not super young but it is definitely a female dominated scene, i have been to VK gigs where i was literally the only guy there. Youâd think that sounds great but actually made me feel quite uncomfortable. Other gigs, maybe another couple of guys but generally women. I have mentioned before my encounter with an ex VK musician who basically said VK is âmusic for girlsâ so guess if they are the target audience thatd explain why its female dominated. Not sure this applies so much to the bigger bands though. + Think about the way these bands market themselves, its kinda obvious they are targeting females.
I donât understand how this matters for people. If you enjoy the music, why care so much about the people around you? As long as they donât do anything to you.
Well for me it just made me really self conscious being the only guy in the room. Not that anything id normally do would be, but just didnt wanna come across as being there to creep on the girls or something so made sure to really keep myself to myself except visits to the bar and asking someone the odd question about something gig related and a couple of times i was approached by girls (i guess being a foreigner there is some curiosity from them why youre at a vk gig which is a very japanese thing). When some people class you as creepy for looking at them these days i do think it pays to be mindful in a situation like that. Just didnt wanna even potentially cause an issue with anyone ya know??
Just a guess but if youâre a foreigner i think thereâll be a lot more âwoah a foreigner hereâ than âwoah a guy hereâ by orders of magnitude
When i went to the 7hr Royz liveshow in Oita which was an audience of 3 guys and 297 women, my nationality seemed to characterize the interactions far more than my gender
I do agree be mindful! For sure! But also maybe donât stress, yâall are both there to enjoy bands so go have fun enjoying bands