Ranking all of Dir en grey's remakes

Also inspired by zeus’ TU thread, here’s a list of, I think, all DEG remakes:

Summary

Ain’t afraid to die
Ain’t afraid to die (2022)

Ash
Ash (2000)
Ash (2018)

Beautiful Dirt
Beautiful Dirt (2018)

Bottom of the death valley
Bottom of the death valley (2013)

Children
Children (2002)

CLEVER SLEAZOID
CLEVER SLEAZOID (2020)

Embryo
Embryo (2002)

Hydra
HYDRA -666-

MACABRE -揚羽ノ羽ノ夢ハ蛹-
MACABRE

Mazohyst of decadence
Mazohyst of decadence (2022)

OBSCURE
OBSCURE (2011)

The Domestic Fucker Family
T.D.F.F.

THE DEEPER VILENESS
THE DEEPER VILENESS (2018)

THE FINAL
THE FINAL (2013)

THE IIID EMPIRE
THE IIID EMPIRE (2018)

Undecided
Undecided (2008)

Unknown…Despair…a Lost
Unknown.Despair.Lost
* not counting Setsuna here

惨劇の夜
霧と繭
霧と繭 (2012)


業 (2013)

残-ZAN-

理由
理由 (2018)

秒「」深
秒「」深 (2002)

羅刹国
羅刹国 (2011)

腐海
腐海 (2018)

蜜と唾
蜜と唾 (Remake)


鴉-karasu-

鬼眼-kigan
鬼眼

かすみ
かすみ (2013)

I’ve always thought about ranking or sorting them in some manner, but I can’t really think of anything… maybe something like least changed to most changed? Best to worst would obviously be a way, too.
I guess it also comes down to how we separate “remake”, “re-recording” and “version”? On the wiki, I list them by their changes in lyrics - if the lyrics of a new version/remake/re-recording are different, I consider it to be a different version. That’s why THE DEEPER VILENESS has no two pages on the wiki, for example. (That’s also why I forgot to add かすみ lol)

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Maybe the rank could be “songs that didnt need to be remade” i dont mind the remakes but the originals of a lot of the remakes are better. Hydra is the one that pains me most. The Deeper Vileness also seems to make some fairly unnecessary changes.

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A Ranking of DEG Remakes, From Necessary to Not

  1. Undecided vs. Undecided (2008)

One of the few times I’m going to give it to the remake. The original is a great ballad, overshadowed by 蟲-mushi-.

  1. The Domestic Fucker Family vs. T.D.F.F.

I’m also going to have to give the crown to T.D.F.F., if only because the original was barely a song.

  1. Hydra vs HYDRA -666-

I like every version of Hydra, but I’m also going to concede here and say the remake is a more conceptualized song. Take out the Gregorian chant in the middle of the original and it’s a bit monotone.

  1. Children vs. Children (2002)

I like both versions of Children, but something about the six Ugly version of children sits right with me. Also, never liked that the original version has this weird cut before the measure is complete.

  1. 残-ZAN- vs 残

One of the few remakes where it strikes a good balance between familiar and new. The original riff translates nicely into a thicker, deeper sound. I actually listen to the remake more than the original!

  1. THE DEEPER VILENESS vs THE DEEPER VILENESS (2018)

I like the remake for THE DEEPER VILENESS! I don’t think the growls are unnecessary as much as the original’s style of “scream angrily at the top of your lungs” is something Kyo’s vocal folds can’t sustain at this age, and the song is aggressive as hell, so it works out. I do wish it had a bit more of the grit of the original fading out at the end.

  1. Beautiful Dirt vs Beautiful Dirt (2018)

I don’t listen to this often because it’s sandwiched at the end of VESTIGE OF SCRATCHES, but I think Beautiful Dirt’s remake is a slight upgrade from the original.

  1. 蜜と唾 vs 蜜と唾 (Remake)

This one is one you either love or hate. For as much as Dir en grey love their ultra dark and heavy sound, they never properly explored sludge and doom outside this and Warsaw no Gensou. And they have the potential to be really damn good at it. I would say I’ll take the remake, but then there are times where I listen to the original from GAUZE twenty times in a row, so I can’t really choose.

  1. Mazohyst of decadence vs Mazohyst of decadence (2022)

It has come to my attention that I never actually listened to Disc 2 of PHALARIS. Us international fans have also been teased with various live retakes of this song for years. Finally getting this recorded is a blessing. I’m going to take the remake here! I always skip the original - it’s bloated runtime and overly self-indulgent posturing has always been the primary roadblock on GAUZE for me.

  1. 秒「」深 vs 秒「」深 (2002)

This is around where the remakes and the originals start to even out for me. GENOCIDE AND DEADBORN and SAMPUURU are equally as iconic in my mind, so I can’t choose here.

  1. 理由 vs 理由 (2018)

One of the few remakes where Dir en grey didn’t make any unnecessary changes and so both are equal to me. I’m just used to the original, so I’m a bit biased.

  1. Ain’t afraid to die vs. Ain’t afraid to die (2022)

There used to be a time a long, long time ago where people would scoff at your taste if you didn’t like Ain’t afraid to die. I can’t say that I don’t hate it as much as I always forget about it - I spend my time with albums more than anything and having been relegated to a single forgotten to the Kisou era does it no favors. Mentioned somewhere else that if I had my way, I’d have sandwiched this song onto an album somewhere. Remake is great because it doesn’t ruin a good thing, so I’ll have both!

  1. 腐海 vs 腐海 (2018)

It took forever for Kyo to record the lyrics of the live version of Fukai, so I’ve spent a very long time with the lyrics of the original and that’s what just sounds right to me. But both versions bang.

  1. Embryo vs Embryo (2002)

These songs are instrumentally equivalent, different lyrics, and I’m not invested enough in either song to make a real distinction.

  1. THE IIID EMPIRE vs THE IIID EMPIRE (2018)

I don’t mind the reinterpretation too much, but it’s one of those songs where I wish Kyo was a little less harsh and a bit more aggressive. Also been listening to the original so long that it’s a Fukai situation where that’s what sounds right to me, and diverging from that has some mixed results.

  1. かすみ vs かすみ (2013)

There has to be a point where I start getting mean, and this is about it. The remake of Kasumi is serviceable, but I think it does too much and prefer the original.

  1. 鬼眼-kigan vs 鬼眼

Something is lacking in the remake and I can’t put my finger on it. The VICTIMIZATION isn’t as visceral and the groove post-solo was done away with, so while the rest of the song is on point it’s missing those parts that make it 鬼眼-kigan for me. OG all the way.

  1. Bottom of the death valley vs Bottom of the death valley (2013)

Another one of those where opinions are all over the place about it, but I knew the remake didn’t have the cajones the minute the bass solo/intro hits and I don’t feel a lump in my chest. IYKYK. I guess this song is serviceable, perhaps even good, but it’s a case where I prefer the original so strongly that it ends up down here. Totally understand if the remake is your jam; probably the only song this far down I’ll make that exception for.

  1. Ash vs Ash (2000) vs Ash (2018)

Despite the bloated exit refrain, the 2000 version of Ash is where it’s at. The original version is not very well recorded and is even longer, and the end of the remake has been reinterpreted but feels oddly short in comparison.

  1. MACABRE -揚羽ノ羽ノ夢ハ蛹- vs MACABRE

This would have been much higher on the list if the remake didn’t add an extra six minutes. They played it almost perfectly up until that point, but like I said elsewhere MACABRE needs atmosphere not gutturals.

  1. THE FINAL vs THE FINAL (2013)

Remake a straight downgrade from the original. Never try to improve upon an anthem.

  1. 業 vs 業 (2013)

The remake has some call backs to the original, and I figured we weren’t going to get an exact copy of the original, but all the new parts they composed for the remake…don’t feel like Karma to me. I want thrashy sub 3 min garage rock outta this song.

  1. 鴉 vs 鴉-karasu-

Another MACABRE situation where they nail the first 2/3 of the song and then sink the last 1/3 and this makes me never want to pick it up. I barely listen to the original, but I feel like the pay off for that one, while less “epic”, certainly cashes the emotional catharsis check better.

  1. 羅刹国 vs 羅刹国 (2011)

I’ll take the original all day. Excessive palm muting kills the forward momentum of the remake’s riff.

  1. Unknown…Despair…a Lost vs Unknown.Despair.Lost

I just really don’t like this reinterpretation.

  1. 惨劇の夜 vs 霧と繭 vs 霧と繭 (2012)

I was never invested much in the Sangeki no Yoru vs Kiri to Mayu debate, as it’s very clear the band only recorded the latter out of necessity and both are songs that have been out of rotation for decades until recently. And then they go and rerec the MISSA version of the song and it’s barely recognizable. This is a rare situation where…I don’t really have strong feels for any version of this song, although I guess I’ll take Sangeki if you wanna twist my arm about it.

  1. CLEVER SLEAZOID vs CLEVER SLEAZOID (2020)

The single that gets worse every time they try to improve it. Single version, despite the goofy lyrics, is the definitive version. TMOAB version tries to get more aggressive and doesn’t. The remake has different lyrics and that clashes with my mental meta. It’s telling that when given the chance, Diru chose the single version for VESTIGE OF SCRATCHES.

  1. OBSCURE vs OBSCURE (2011)

Absolutely abysmal retake, the worst one of them all IMO, simply because they butchered the main riff. It’s 0h1 1, not 1 0h1, and stop fucking palm muting everything Jesus Christ. This is another anthemic, iconic song, THE SONG that brought some visual kei fans back from the brink after they “”““renounced””“” visual kei post six Ugly and fans were left reeling for something to grab onto. You. Don’t. Change. A. Classic.

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For me from best to worst:

  1. THE DEEPER VILENESS (2018) > original (this is my favourite remake)
  2. 腐海 (2018) > original
  3. 理由 (2018) > original (even after being a big fan of the original for the longest time)
  4. HYDRA -666- > original
  5. Undecided (2008) = original (both good in different ways)
  6. 残 (2009) > original but honestly the original is not that great
  7. OBSCURE (2011) is worse than the original but I still quite like it

Rest I don’t like.

Seems like 2018 was their year for remakes for me, though some were still really bad. I’d still like to see some more MARROW Of A BONE remakes out of curiosity

In almost all cases I overall prefer the remakes to the originals or I like them evenly. Obscure is probably the only remake where I lean towards liking the original more. Ash 2018 is much better than the original especially the 2019 live version.

Ain’t afraid to die
Ain’t afraid to die (2022)

Prefer the original though like both. Just got more memories with the original and the child sounding backing vocals actually added a lot to the emotions for me so to remove that totally was a bit of a shame.

Bottom of the death valley
Bottom of the death valley (2013)

Tough, i like both versions better for different reasons, they both have totally different vibes in my opinion but both nail it pretty good so hard to say if one is better than the other. I just enjoy them for what they are and try not to compare too much.

Children
Children (2002)

2002 version wins here. Because im not a fan of the A side track this was released with the original is probably my least listened to Dir song of all time. I still like the track despite the dumb ending. Newer version just seems more polished like they have properly finished the track rather than releasing a quick version they only recorded to have a unique song for the single.

Hydra
HYDRA -666-

This is a bit like Bottom of the death valley for me,bith versions are too different to really make a proper comparison between the two. However, and this is a BIG HOWEVER, I prefer the original by a long way. The studio version lacks a bit in production but live this song really shines and sounds so much heavier and chaotic. Im kinda gutted this version is basically going to be a forgotten piece of history.

MACABRE -揚羽ノ羽ノ夢ハ蛹-
MACABRE

Oh man, another real tough one. Both versions are great. The remake does add a bit more of a dark atmosphere in places which i really love but the original has such a vibe by itself. Both versions are equally as amazing.

Mazohyst of decadence
Mazohyst of decadence (2022)

I like both!!! I feel the original had a way darker atmosphere but the newer version does feel more refined and again a bit heavier. Some of the basslines in the newer version really stand out as being improved to me as well.

OBSCURE
OBSCURE (2011)

The one track where the original is probably the heavier version so love that. But the remake adding some great melodies that werent included before is very welcome. Again, enjoy both as their own seperate things.

The Domestic Fucker Family
T.D.F.F.

New version wins hands down for me. Seems like a version written much more with the live show in mind and works. Though i do miss some.of the weird electronics and bit crushed samples. Haha.

THE DEEPER VILENESS
THE DEEPER VILENESS (2018)

Way prefer the original, the new version although doesnt change a lot, seems to make some unnecessary changes to some of the riffs which in my opinion does not improve on them at all and i feel the original riffs were better. So original all the way here.

THE FINAL
THE FINAL (2013)

Despite how popular this song is, its up there in my list of 4 songs by this band i really dont care about or particularly enjoy.

霧と繭
霧と繭 (2012)

Much prefer the remake, far more refined and more brutal so that wins for me.

残-ZAN-

Definity the remake here. Way darker and more intense.

秒「」深
秒「」深 (2002)

Same feedback as 霧と繭 really so remake gets this one too.

羅刹国
羅刹国 (2011)

Remake again wins due to being more intense overall. Original is great too, but i guess the production of the remake really lends itself well to this one so just works much better for my tastes.

蜜と唾
蜜と唾 (Remake)

I actually wonder why people consider this a remake as both versions are practically completely different besides sharing some of the lyrics. More to the point the overall sound and atmosphere are completely differently. Both are great but if youre in a mood for faster thrashier stuff then the original will be more fitting whereas the remake is good for a more dark or perhaps melancholic atmosphere. Personally i listen to the remake a lot more as the dark vibe and emotions it envokes just really hits the spots so guess i prefer the remake but because the two songs are literally so different its extremely difficult to compare the versions of the songs but instead is more like comparing two separate songs so not sure this counts. Haha.

鬼眼-kigan
鬼眼

Prefer the original. The newer version just seems a bit more all over the place and doesnt have the same chaotic feeling the original version did so going for the original here.

Any i have missed is because i dont have any particular feelings either way about them and like both versions. They are also for me not particularly stand out songs so can take either version. :slight_smile:

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