I remember that some artist grievanced on reddit how they had customers who wanted them to “improve” AI generated vomit and for that even demanded that the artist for this “immense help of inspiration” only get half of the money his commision price actually were.
I could low key imagine that sukekiyo went with a similar approach to this artist. but this artist had decided to comply for whatever reason nonetheless (maybe they never had a previous commercial commision or something similar or they just really badly needed the money)
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AI derangenent syndrome is real. The cover is cool regardless of how they got there.
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The solution to being wrong about someone using AI is creating the conditions so they have no choice but to use AI so you can confortably point your finger. Smart move if you want to be right, and really don’t care about AI use.
Please do not be another “Breeder”… Kyo, you have trolled enough now. Breeder is one of the worst songs ever, please respect your fans 
i dont get the hate towards breeder
the video sucks yes, but song is okay
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You really like the song? It even sounds like something AI would come up with…
everyone of course has its own opinion, this is not against you but I just hate this song.
the song mastering is so fucking flat. it sounds like the equivalent of a five nights at freddy fan song “there is a car and it is going to hit me”
kyos voice feels so bored in this track somehow. the refrain is just a bunch of nothing the whole high opera voices would give it a distinct differentiation to the rest of the song but the melody just feels so thoughtless that it only ruins the rest of the track.
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You’re literally looking for reasons to be mad. This artwork looks similar to other stuff in her portfolio, I don’t see why they would have done this roundabout way that you’re describing. It looks like they asked her for a piece that coheres with her previous work, and she delivered.
If you want people to take you seriously when you criticize AI, you have to pick your battles. This kind of attitude feels like it minimizes the artist’s work; if we wanna act like we “care about artists”, that’s not right.
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I like Breeder until the “kill my mind.” That part feels so out of place, to the point where IDK if it was intentional.
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I like the artwork, but I did notice that it looks a lot like a previous piece the artist did:
Here the ribs are obscured, yet look more realistic.
And they posted this:
Which very well could be a trace over the final image, if you were to assume it was AI. I think it’s safe to say this is a person who makes their own work, but given that nothing else in their portfolio matches the level of detail of the cover art, it’s not clear. They could have used AI to assist their finished peice, or they could have drawn the skeleton on their own and messed it up. Lord knows I’ve done that.
Either way, art aside, a few friends who heard the new song live said it’s really good, so I’m staying optimistic on the release.
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In the first one they released there was no thumb and some things looked weird in ribs, after they realized people were talking about it they fixed it in the latest one you posted. My guess is that the face is drawn and everything below AI.
For many its for sure like this “OK so its AI? Who cares?”. But for me personally as a fan I would just like that they stopped it and went back to old good craftmanship, or I guess at least wait until the software gets better/they start using a better one. Why is one of the richest bands in Japan using AI slop? I would understand if it was a new band but… Also let’s not forget DeG as well and their latest AI slop PV. For me it all just looks lazy 
Kyo might be the AI mastermind…
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The details between the sketch and the final result are different. The ears aren’t the same.
Honestly, I’m not too bothered by using AI for cover art as long as it looks nice. Album covers rarely have much artistic value anyway. But of course any simple moody photo would have been better.
For example, AI finished this sketch and made something similar.
The image looks very artificial either way, so I don’t really see a difference whether it was drawn by a person or by AI.
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This certainly isn’t the AI negativity thread, so I don’t want to get too bogged down in the conversation. But my spirit won’t let it rest.
Upon further investigation, I think that even the original piece I posted is AI and perhaps none of this person’s work online is actually created by them. Disappointing. I personally feel that an image loses all artistic value when AI is applied to it. Not worth looking at and not worth paying for.
Too bad really. And the ai draws into question the integrity of the band. Makes you wonder if they’ll keep creating their own music or just let the AI do that for them too.
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No way, they have photography in their site and the whole history. Dates pretty back, as I know.
Do you mind sharing the findings of your investigation? They’ve been posting on the same Instagram since 2023, their style hasn’t drastically changed in that time as AI models have improved, they’re represented by an art agency and apparently have multiple art shows coming up - not to mention other galleries in the past posting her work in preparation for an exhibition of her work (see here https://www.instagram.com/p/DK96xp1x8km/?igsh=YXp5YTZreXZxZnhl they went on to be exhibited that October with two other artists - I lost the post but could find it again if need be, it’s on the same profile). Would be pretty crazy if they were faking all of their work through that. I also found interviews with her about her work too. She mentions her work containing digital touches in addition to her stuff done by hand (which we already knew since she mentioned Procreate and Blender in one of the posts), but suggesting that her portfolio is basically a collection of AI is a really big jump I feel.
Y’all seem really convinced, so I’m not trying to argue anymore. But if she really is being deceptive about the human extent of her work, this is a bigger lie than just someone posting AI on their Instagram, it’s something that could put at risk the reputation of those that have platformed her given how the AI topic has literally never been mentioned in anything I’ve found about her.
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Sorry Misa, that’s a fair point. I think that the real toll of AI is the cynicism it breeds. My last post was kinda just being pissy and not really helpful to the conversation.
What led me to feel this way is that looking closely at the piece and their portfolio, I felt there were some inconsistencies. But when Instagram crushes an image quality, it’s difficult to decern those minor details.
The major issues really lie with the bones. Especially since in a previous piece she drew a girl with a ribcage that looked more anatomically correct. Yet their latest one has some confused anatomy. The thing that really got me was the straps on the dress. There are lines that seem to indicate the idea of a buckle but don’t really make sense. Which is one of the main things I look for in an AI image. Buttons, buckles, minor details.
But you know what? Maybe we actually are hitting that point where the rubric we have to use to detect AI and the rubric we use to judge someone’s artistic skill and style are just not adequate. Maybe we won’t be able to tell anymore.
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This thread is a pretty great example of what I was talking about in the Dir en grey MORTAL DOWNER thread on how the prevalence of AI has really fucked up our ability to appreciate art. We often have no way to be sure whether it’s being used or not, but plenty of reasons to be skeptical considering how many artists have already been caught out - including cover artists for major bands. The better the tech gets and the smarter people get about using it… it’s just going to get harder and harder to confirm causing people to view everything with a justified-but-draining suspicion.
I have no idea whether this cover art is legitimately drawn or not, but it’s worth remembering that the sorts of people that make the best cheaters often are those who are already talented at the thing they’re cheating at in the first place - so sadly even a person having a history of demonstrating genuine talent isn’t enough to clear them of legitimate suspicion in the present.
Welcome to the new world, folks. Shit sucks 
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Did anyone consider AI coloring yet? At the very least, an artist was commissioned, and I think the only other discussion left would be about that since a lot of the issue of AI art is lacking an artist. What would be of the choice of mixing them, then? Theoretically AI could entirely change and delete the layer of interpretation, which would also intervene with a lot of aspects of skill. Unless that’s a can of worms, in which case my other theory is that the lack of thumbs is actually part of the subversive genius of being possessed by a ghost with no thumbs, thus matching the grim and dank worlvdiew of Sukekiyo where being a woman who’s missing the fifth index in a world where women have opposable thumbs is a dark reality… I want entire essays of what you would do without your thumbs… It’s chilling.
You never know.
Boycott everything.
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Just please be better than Breeder, that’s all I ask.
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