vk has such an extensive history of absolutely shit-tier productions (which were balanced out by sparkles of much better and sometimes incredible print media back in its og heyday of 1990s–2000s) I honestly couldn’t care less about the AI wave of today - it will be gone in a few years once the novelty wears off. if he wants to have his tacky fun now, let him do it - not like anyone is throwing lots of label investment into VK to level it up.
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I also believe that the hype will die out soon enough. YET
it is a level of disheartening you just hardly can get otherwise by groups. there are so many charming groups which now basically insult art and me in a more personal way than they could ever do by shock factor or simply bad music.
like knowing now that musicians you respect gladly takes everything as step tool instead of showing basic respect for arts. I can not recover from it.
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if you’re ever feeling let down, a quick spin of gazette’s first PVs from 2002, or pretty much any baiser PV should help. those eƒ:ƒeXs were made with less money than kyo/his production company left in the ai slopbox so far.
and idk I think I’m generally so lenient on ai in music because it’s just done as quick sign of defeat (the money is always tight, a “cheap” tech is available and it won’t get much better till the tides change)
on the other hand, spending a year interacting with people who newly found themselves as slop artistés extraordinaire (with a huge chunk of those being kiwif//rms shitposters on the side) left some brain scars on me I won’t recover from, of the very people-hating kind.
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This makes sense to me and maybe suggests why i’m not as up in arms as others are.
I think anyone who liked AI; content creators and consumers both, is over it by now and overall it just has a shitty cheap impression. 2025 version of the 2000s album cover that’s just a photo of the band or the 2010s album cover that’s a photographed scribble the vocalist made on paper
I have a bit of nostalgia for those potato quality gazette videos and respect them trying their best - i wonder if there really is a difference or if in 2050 everyone gen c or whatever will be reminiscing on the AI wave of trve 20s kei
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I really hate AI videos tbh. However im fine with minimal usage as long as it doesn’t look like sht.
Use AI as a tool to help make the art. Take the time to edit and perfect it, not just splatter it on the video and call it a day
Machine can’t into art, it’s an algorithm. I can understand near future themed bands and creators who uses ai as an instrument for their post-apocalyptic art and “imagine if machine could CREATE”, but if your band isn’t hi-tech whatever themed - your ai infusions are just a scum. I’m sorry.
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I did not make this post about AI but okay it can live in this topic I guess
I just came to complain about that model figure trend that many bandman are doing their own versions and I’m like, girl, why are you giving your facial and body data to a random company only for fomo?
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it will be the same malice mizer worship clique as the current tiktok is
there’re still some artists who haven’t embraced the caca (I don’t see hyde for example going this route) and I’m generally happy with what the scene is giving right now with this little revival of the past couple years, only to get a high-powered dose of cringe coming from asagi’s recent PV and what angelo have dropped to celebrate their restart
well here’s another one!
might be the worst one yet
- 5 respect points for Kirito!
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warner bros sued midjourney (this is a different, new lawsuit; the disney one had no major updates so far, but for reference point, the ongoing artists vs openAI, deviantart (?) etc hearings are scheduled for 2027)
I wonder if they’re coming for video generators as well at some point (although, I’m yet to see a convincing breakdown that those are even profitable given the costs of generating video content, and given that it’s useless for end production that is meant to be picked up for commercial distribution - slop doesn’t provide copyright clearance that distributing companies require before picking up a movie, or a series season, in their commercial catalogue. they’ll be somewhat demanded as local production tools in India and Russia, and that would be it.)
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Looks like Anthropic will have to pay up.
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It’s close between this one and Kizu’s….
Thanks for sharing. It’s certainly gonna be interesting to see how all of this develops going forward (if at all).
On a micro level, it reminds of the conundrum that a lot of us uploaders in the J-rock community faced - where it seemed almost impossible to become a “source” for music shares when as soon as you upload something, it’s automatically re-shared and replicated on a billion other release sites. Basically becoming public property. And so the conclusion was to either share privately or not at all. And if you do decide to post - you do so with the understanding that the upload doesn’t “belong” to you.
I know that the case with art is different, because you’re dealing with things that were actually created by and belong to ppl. So I’m curious to see how they’re gonna try to legislate this going forward, since virtually anyone can take any public image online and do whatever they want with it.
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I’m not sure I understand the analogy… there never was anyone trying to monetize on uploading obscure music, and when stuff got taken down, everyone understood what happened and didn’t pretend otherwise.
in this case, particularly for the anthropic lawsuit (and the midjourney ones won’t be much different - the courts overwhelmingly side with artists/creators in the cases involving, for example, granting retrospective copyright protection that wasn’t properly filled in the past) there’s a precedent of someone sharing academic content with no intent to profit from it, which is often brought up when meta/openAI/other start-ups claim they’re operating within the copyright exemption limits. I think the obvious double-standard here coming from having a literal precedent and the way it turned out for a private individual vs same thing being done by VC-backed tech mob, and how long it takes to get their violations confirmed and acknowledged - this kind of stuff for me makes sense as a legal parallel, a conflict of one $$$$ industry with another.
that last bit is actually the reason why disney (who experimented with AI/their studios did AI treatment in shit like posters etc) is suing mj now - they’re extremely anal about having 100 % of copyright ownership over every product coming out, and in case with AI, you can render something, modify it, and copyright that modification – but someone (i.e., me) can take that thing, and add some sauce there, and from there file a copyright office application, show the process of editing the thing, and get the new edit copyrighted - and this can go infinitely, since there’s no authored, man-made original source.
my biggest problem in this (I probably sound like a broken record) that it took the mouse 3 years to calculate the ROI and decide they will be going the legal route - which, again, happens to my benefit; but there’s no single game development company, for example, doing the same in the west, while CG portfolios were dumped and pumped to get this tech working. I don’t even care because I’m not in this business, but given its size alone, it stings.
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My bad! I should have been clearer in my post. You’re 100% right, though. Those are two completely different situations. The only reason I brought up the uploading thing is to highlight the nature of the internet and public access, and to pose the question of how this will all be handled.
I appreciate you shedding a bit light on this tho, cuz man, what a clusterfuck this all seems to be.
ummm some of u getting really emotionally invested in this subject huh??
Sorry for bringing this thread back but I didn’t want to clog up the band’s thread
they couldn’t even go to a shrine and take 2 pics of Torii… this is Japan, shrines are everywhere, there is literally no excuse.
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