idk this man but he’s right. a boomer take probably but i want nothing to do with ai in my music. something is too polished or sterile and i am immediately not interested lol
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Oh sorry lmao he’s not a random fan or anything, he’s the vocalist from Dadaroma and now works with Tsuzuku from Mejibray and the bassist(?) from Liphlich in a group called drugs
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no worries! idk bands nowadays! but it’s nice to see artists take a firm stance.
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Sure, but DRUGS used AI in their first PV as fair as I can tell. So he may pro-human made music, but not so much human made art.
Btw, here’s another one with gory AI slop
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“Just like the legendary Kurt Cobain shook the entire world by suddenly blasting..”
My mind was going somewhere else with this statement.
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If you are pro human music but still use generative AI for music video production you are a hypocrite of rotten tongue.
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Im sad this is a topic but it makes sense 
I haven’t read all of the posts in this topic, but browsing reddit and even IG/FB threads there’s a lot of people upset about something they can’t control.
As a guitarist myself, I have no interest in listening to AI music. BUT if I take it upon myself to Police everyone else’s interests I will be miserable forever.
There are so many "artists” having genuine panic attacks and meltdowns over something that is unfortunately inevitable.
Automation has wiped out and destroyed countless livelihoods and families. Any technological advancement gets rid of the “cost” associated with human resources.
People like to wax and wane poetically about what is art etc. But some people, literally don’t care about art. It’s sad, shocking but true.
I love video games. If I found out that Lies Of P used AI generation in some capacity. I wouldn’t love it less. Some people like music, but don’t care if a musician made it.
Some people like pasta, but don’t care if it was made from scratch, or if it was bought from the grocery store.
Yes it’s inauthentic, yes people depend on music for their livelihoods. an AI band can’t really go tour…. and a true music fan, knows that there is no greater bliss than seeing your favourite musician live. AI will not replace that.
If AI generated music diminishes your own motivation for creating art… like were you really about that life in the first place??? If a painter paints something in their house only they can see and appreciate and it never goes to a museum, are they less of an artist or painter?
If you love making music, and you don’t make a dime, and you’re the only person who listens to it. It does not make you any less of a musician. lolol
AI slop cannot be the thing that destroys your Maslow’s hierarchy of needs.
If your joy and contentment in the world depends on what other people are doing…. broski. You setting urself for misery.
in my humble opinion.
That’s why I listened to my immigrant parents when they (strongly) recommended I go to med school. Are robots gonna replace doctors… maybe, possibly. But if someone is okay seeing a robot doctor, we probably wouldn’t have a great patient-physican relationship in the first place. If someone prefers to see a human doctor (most people do… for now) then perfect. That will be a fruitful endeavour.
Pursing something as subjective as art as a career is unfortunately not super sustainable in the long term.
Dictating whether or not people should consume AI slop, unfortunately will not bring anyone peace.
Jibun no Tame ni. Do things for yourself.
I see people die in the ICU on regular basis.
I don’t know if anyone has spent their last moments like “man I’m so glad I got mad on reddit about AI music”….
Like life is about choosing your suffering. And if AI content is what you choose to suffer for. Power to you.
End of rant 
I love a good debate/discussion so please feel free to challenge me on anything I’ve said.
But after seeing enough people die in my day job; my perspective on what truly matters might be warped or desensitised to things that seem trivial to me.
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That’s an AI corporate talking point and just not true. A lot of thinks are regulated by laws and we absolutely will need regulation on AI as well. Another point is that data Centers for AI cost billions and it’s yet to be seen if they will be able to get that investment back. At some point all the AI tool subcribtions will become much more expensive because it is not as cost effective as they claim. They subsedise it so much right now by making a loss with it in the hopes that people get used to it enough to be willing to pay more for it.
If that does not work, it will become an AI bubble and when it bursts, US tax players will be the ones to pay saving these companies with their tax money.
Until then the internet will be flooded with misinformation and slob that will only get worth because AI will replicate AI. Don’t let big mega corps fool you like this, please.
Look at the Coca Cola AI commercial and how that costed them around as much as the human made commercial from last year but looked so much worse.
The majority of people either dislikes or is indiffrent to AI. People that actually like AI are very few.
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I don’t know if anyone has spent their last moments like “man I’m so glad I got mad on reddit about AI music”….
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You know, there sure are online debates that are not worth our time. But just letting AI happen ist diffrent because it takes a huge toll on our enviorment. It wastes water and energy and feighting that by educating people does not feel like wasting time. This is not fighting someone on the Internet over the right way of cooking Spaghetti…
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There are a lot of artist which artwork systematically get stolen by AI. With thankless bastards even replying to their artwork with AI slop improvements. I have also heard stories about those AI impersonators even sending death threats to the original artist. There is so much things what people can do with AI to destroy your drive for creative endeavours. Don’t just put the fault onto the artist.
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Decent points, but unfortunately it doesn’t stop the inevitability of a day of reckoning.
For sure there’ll be some regulation for AI. Without a doubt.
But the reality is all the regulation in the world won’t be enough for some people.
Regardless of morality
There’s lots of people that are pro AI. There are lots of people that are neutral about it. And there are lots of people that are vehemently against it.
You can’t please everyone.
I’ve been following the Suno legal case and it’s absolutely true that AI steals/borrows ideas rather than organically creating anything. That’s what it was created to do.
One of my favourite quotes of all time is from Lord of the Rings, when Theoden says “I will not risk open war”
Aragorn replies “Open war is upon you, whether you would risk it or not”.
It’s not a question of the morality of AI. It’s a question of the reality of AI and whether or not you will be a futurist and adapt; or will you allow the weight of a painful, unfair existence to crush you and drain you of your joy.
Just because you have a very accurate well articulated prophecy of doom that makes people feel bad, doesn’t mean it won’t happen. In fact it’s very likely to happen. You can choose to rebel, or you can choose to adapt.
When laparoscopic surgery was first invented, many surgeons at the time abhorred it. “This will never become mainstream, it takes too long, I refuse to learn it. “
Then younger surgeons became trained in it, and now a lot of surgeons rely 90% on laparoscopic surgery and some don’t even know how to operate without it.
AI isn’t laparoscopic surgery.
But the AI brain rot generation is not taught to think critically about the merits of “art”.
They will consume dopamine regardless of the source.
it’s sad and unfair, but it’s reality.
Patients with terminal cancer don’t care about this stuff. Kids brought up on brain rot don’t care about this stuff.
Que sera sera; choosing happiness isn’t choosing indifference.
But the people getting depressed about this stuff, or getting angry; need to separate their emotions from their convictions.
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Homie, were you around for Limewire? Countless artists were robbed of millions of dollars in revenue because so called “fans” justified stealing their music (for whatever reasons invalid or otherwise).
The artists that decided tour and persist regardless did well.
The artists that decide to sulk - perish.
Those who are sovereign over their emotions will survive.
I’d rather someone steal my creative idea, than my clothes, my food, my shelter.
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There are still not enough laws about AI regulations. False crime scenes and deepfake porn images/videos of real people can be easily created with nearly no barriers. Alongside also AI Chatbots having been a big part in a few teenagers suicide. I don’t understand why the problem are the artists and they need to grow up. Get a fucking working product first which doesn’t ruin the internet first before we complain about weak willed artist.
Nothing you said contradicts my main point: AI isn’t giving back what the companies invested into it.
On a small scale for medical purpose where it doesn’t need tons of data centers and is really doing something that humans can’t, it’s surely worth the cost. Especially because you can sell a medical software for much more than the other AI softwares.
But all the tools that “create art” cost so much if they are available to everyone. Right now the paid subscrption don’t bring even in a fraction of what this costs. This is not even an ethical argument but a business one. If they want to earn more than they invested they need to find more use cases for AI or/and make it much more expensive. If it gets more expensive than labour, it’s doomed. If it does not make enough revenue compared to costs, it’s doomed.
And to be honest, I think THAT is much more inevitable than AI. Remember how NFT was the future of everything and every company wanted to include it even if it did not make sense for them. It’s similar with AI. Everyone thinks they have to us AI now but the reality is that most companies don’t profit from using it. It has it’s fields where it is absolutely great and useful like recognizing patterns in tissue that ate more likely to develop into tumors. But honestly… writing a summary of an E-mail….Will that be worth the costs, does it safe enough time to be worth it when the tool becomes more expensive.
Maybe it will succseed and maybe a silicon valley bubble will burst.
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Brev I think we’re discussing two different things.
You’re talking about some pretty wild stuff.
I’m saying that if you enjoy writings songs on guitar, and you’re upset about someone using a computer to do the same things, then you’re gonna be miserable.
This is not artist blaming, this is individual responsibility,
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Broski (Or Sister-ski), we are discussing two different things.
If you like creating art; and are upset that AI is mimicking that. That’s your choice.
I’m willing to bet that the people depressed about AI art, aren’t depressed because of the water and energy consumption.
They’re upset because they have the luxury of being upset about things that don’t affect the foundation of maslow’s hierarchy of needs.
”Oh I’m a musician, this affects my livelihood and now I can’t pay rent” - valid reason to be upset.
”Oh no I just found out a song that means a lot to me, was created by a machine, now I can’t feel the same emotions that connected me to the song” … alright dude.
Guys I grew up in apartheid South Africa. I’m sorry if I think there’s worse things in life than AI creating music and pictures.
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I am woman, so please refrain from calling me broski 
You said AI is inevitable, I told you why it might not be. It being inevitable was your argument why there is no point in being upset about it.
If you can only debate me with moving the goal point you have no argument. You are the one who said it’s not worth spending your precious life time debating it but now you are doing exactly that because you can’t accept other points of view. Let’s end this here so I safe you some life time you can spend on something more meaningful.
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Thank you for your kindness and grace.
I think it’s okay to disagree about things without getting upset.
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I invite anyone reading this thread to spend a week in pediatric ICU and watch a family grieve as their child dies from an illness no one could predict, control or cure.
My main argument is about emotions. Not about the business practices of companies using AI.
I’ll say it again. My main argument is about emotions.
If people get depressed about AI music and art. That is their choice.
And it’s a valid choice.
You are allowed to be upset about AI music. But that’s also a choice you are making.
Again, this is merely a discussion about different perspective and ideas.
No one is angry, no one is hurt, no one is unsafe.
If we disagree about this, that is totally fine. I wish no ill will on anyone
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Ngl, this subject is very very much blackpilling to me lol. I don’t think, short of legislation and/or an organized anti-AI movement from the fandom or someone important in the scene that there’s much to leverage to compel bands to stop using it.
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