and i’ll stop there before i go on forever (and miss my train).
i think as with a lot of stuff during the pandemic, the main and sometimes only thing that is clear is that most things really aren’t. it’s still early findings time, and there are so many factors that contribute to things…frankly i’m glad i went with medicine rather than a career in academia, I wouldn’t want to be the one to have to sort it.
it’ll be interesting and heartbreaking reading once there’s been time to collate and sort the fuller data and inquests are conducted to see the larger picture. it’s been an agonising year and a half.
Wow. Coming here for the first time since MH shutdown and the heroes of my past are antiscience. How sad.
Only we brazilians know what we are facing in this shithole of a country. I am lucky enough to have a job and work from home, but honestly, it’s fucking scary to go out. Nobody wears masks, think cloroquine and ivermectine works and even believe this pandemic is a fraud.
Everyone from my immediate family got vaccinated with at least one shot, with numerous vaccines (Moderna, Pfizer, Astrazeneca, Coronavac) and everyone is alright. Minimum side effects. Yes, they CAN HAPPEN and can be deadly, but NEWSFLASH, the chance of dying after being infected with this fucking disease, spread by this fucking Bolsonaro and its cohorts, is much bigger.
Keep taking care, guys. Use masks and alcohol in gel, no matter if you live in a shithole like this backwater country or in a first world one.
While we sometimes observe excess mortality that is consistent with the number of deaths attributed to COVID-19, data reveal that indirect consequences of the pandemic are also having a significant impact on the number of excess deaths in Canada, particularly among younger Canadians. Based on the newly updated provisional dataset released today from the Canadian Vital Statistics Death Database, from the end of March 2020 to the beginning of April 2021, an estimated 62,203 deaths were reported among Canadians aged 0 to 64. This represents 5,535 more deaths than expected were there no pandemic, after accounting for changes in the population such as aging. Over the same period, 1,380 COVID-19 deaths have been attributed to the same age group (those younger than 65), suggesting that the excess mortality is, in large part, related to other factors such as increases in the number deaths attributed to causes associated with substance use and misuse, including unintentional (accidental) poisonings and diseases and conditions related to alcohol consumption.
Summary
Based on the provisional data received so far from the provinces and territories, there were 3,770 deaths caused by unintentional poisoning in 2020 compared to 3,240 such deaths in 2019, with appreciable increases observed in Ontario (2,235 compared with 1,550) and Alberta (920 compared with 715). While the provisional data have cause of death information for fewer than 70 overdose deaths in British Columbia, a report by the British Columbia Coroners Service on illicit drug toxicity deaths has stated a drastic increase in deaths in 2020 compared with 2019.
Nationally (excluding British Columbia and Yukon), the annual mortality rates for accidental poisonings from 2000 to 2020 have generally increased over time. In 2017, at the height of the opioid crisis, the annual mortality rate was 10.2 deaths per 100,000 people (3,230 deaths), the highest observed prior to 2020. The mortality rate in 2020, based on the provisional data, was 11.3 deaths per 100,000 people (3,705 deaths).
Data for Ontario indicate that the provisional number of deaths attributed to unintentional poisonings rose sharply at the beginning of the pandemic, with 605 deaths occurring in the period from April to June 2020, compared with 475 in the period from January to March 2020.
Any student who ever applied to work and travel program are the most unfortunate, with no way to return home and martial law declared, with everyone getting laid off work, and no job opportunities. They would just blew away all those pensions and a year off their lives, a year since the varus Canada and America still hasn’t opened for immigration, even if you have a green card, same can’t be said the same for Europe. Its not hard finding work off the record or pirating but most immigration students can’t do that since most universities or collages want 80+ hour or 6 days attendance for like 2 or 3 years giving little time to find work for their basic needs (like 12 hours at most in a week) so don’t attempt it if you don’t have anyone to lean over, or have nothing planned, most would either have to ask around for daily jobs or just do the afromentioned things, but it’s work. Hard work. I still haven’t vaccinated yet and I don’t think I will, the whole pandemic would be over next year but I’m afraid they will keep calling out bullshit phases, mutations on the virus to force the vaccines, and if that doesn’t work they would force the citizens like unable to enter stores or markets without their codes Confirming they have been vaccinated, getting a citizenship a different matter entirely, even if you’re engaged to a local let’s say in Germany, if you’re engaged they still wouldn’t give you a citizenship because Germany wants you to learn German just like your own native language, Canada wants you to bear no weight either to the government or the community having required a minimum 10k excess dollar funds in order to stay, with another minimum 5 year working so they would give you citizenship, if you have nothing to back that up they would either give you a penalty for application (something emergency application? I don’t remember the name) like a 2 year cooldown and having your family extradited.
thanks so much for sending me this! i’m going to contact them about methods because i’m really interested to see how statcan works and how it differs from the methods of ons and c&sd. i appreciate it a lot.
i’m not convinced that any of these findings yet support the claim i’ve seen made that these deaths are specifically to do with restrictions and interventions. for some people it will undoubtedly be a cause, but there hasn’t been this avalanche of specific mortality which i have encountered being claimed. other people’s struggle will also be about things like the mental health affects of existing through a pandemic in itself, and the big one to me because i am seeing it directly with my patients: not being able to access the same quality of health care because the mismanagement of the pandemic has lead to less wards, less beds, less staff, and a whole lot more anxiety about accessing gps and hospitals because patients don’t feel safe coming into the hospital.
the thing is, none of what either of us have linked is really looking specifically how much death is the byproduct of lockdown, and that’s fine. it’s interesting and important data which is super valuable, but the point of it isn’t to unpick and quantify how many people died for what reason. all that kind of stuff will be done in post-pandemic inquests into government’s handling, not in early findings research. the data is important and has more value than just that.
my concern is that i see a lot of people (of all opinions!) using studies to make a point which the actual research neither addresses nor tries to addresses. it’s not just a thing with covid, just louder because obviously covid is kind of a big deal to our lives right now. it becomes less learning and collaboration, and more picking whatever vaguely sounds like what they has decided is true and using it as a malformed cudgel. it’s not engaging in good faith, and with some people i’ve encountered, it just sounds like lies.
like i said, i’m glad i’m not the one who has to sort it once the dust settles. both for the inherent difficulty, and for the anger they’re likely to get from all “sides”.
so we have arrived to the point where new covid strain mortality in vaccinated individuals has outgrown unvaccinated ones (who have a higher infection rate) according to some june-dated numbers from the UK:
where the mortality is higher in both absolute numbers, and in relative proportion to the number of infections (tldr: there’re a lot of infected people who have a low mortality rate VS there’re less vaccinated people getting infected, but they end up dying more frequently)
vaccinated elders (age 50+) so far account for almost double mortality rate compared to those who didn’t/couldn’t vaccinate.
Because most fully vaccinated people are over the age of 50 - and therefore more likely to die - while most unvaccinated people are young and healthy.
fyi I attached the table in question. unvaccinated people over 50 are currently less likely to die compared to fully vaccinated ones in the same age group. it is literally the last line in my screenshot. the total amount of sampled new infections (vaccinated/unvaccinated) is on the very top.
Remember, it is ok to discuss your opinion on coronavirus. It is not ok to discuss your opinions on others opinions, or we will get off topic and devolve into flame wars. You don’t have to agree with everything you read in this topic, and that is okay.
Not discussing my thoughts on vaccinations, but I should mention I got the Moderna vaccine a few months ago.
I’m not sure if this has already been mentioned, but the pandemic has been hugely impactful to the IT space, in my experience. I assumed, when I applied to the job I have now, I would be moving a state away to be at their second office, but during the interview they said that they downsized, moving their main office just outside Chicago and 90% of the employees just work from home now. There is no better time to land a wfh position than now, and I absolutely love it.
Vaccinations have been advancing a little more here in Brazil, so numbers are going down a little, but delta hasn’t reached the country (fully), yet. A great reminder how vaccines save lives, since we have a lot of uneducated people here. If you have the chance, GET YOUR VAX!
FDA, following the steps of european medicine agency, added myocarditis and periocarditis to the list of side-effect warnings for mRNA based vaccines:
before you start hurling insults (which will be reported x), consider that one thousand of previously healthy young individuals will now have to manage a life-long autoimmune disease within the realities of american healthcare system over a vaccine that fails to prevent mortality in the most at-risk groups.
previous week on “shit I didn’t bother posting here”:
If you do believe in your conspiracy anti-vaccination bullshit, than please stay in your caves and don’t get mad about the restrictions.
I’ll point out that we were hit with a year long lockdown following a chain of viral videos that never had their authenticity verified, which are perfectly compiled here with an overdramatized (and a paradoxically, hilarious) sound arrangement courtesy of Toronto Sun:
China’s coronavirus is getting worse, viral videos show people dropping on the streets!
I also think it’s about time we started a cool corona thread, “the covid conspiracies” or something, but I really don’t care about the subject that much.
I had my life impacted by corona in ways I absolutely bloody hate and have no control over, and none of them are health or vaccine related.
Please ask yourself what this has to do with the original post by ghost or to nekkichi’s post. This thread is about people’s experience with how covid vaccinations have affected their jobs. Some people don’t want to take the vaccine for various reasons and I think they deserve to be at least heard, not ridiculed. That’s the least likely way to get someone to listen to you.
I don’t want this thread to turn into flame wars, but if I have to come back in here one more time I’m locking this thread.
Ok, let me put it another way. Your freedom of choice ends in the moment when it might put someone in danger. I strongly believe that freedom to live is the number one priority.
