Dir en grey fans at all lol
lol that apparently happens to me too, only found out because I vanity-searched my name and found the person (same one that wanted to buy stuff from me) tweeting something like “welcome to the degtau haters club” or so in 2023, in reply to a private tweet by a person I never spoke to before.
It’s so wild that there are people out there who simply dislike you without ever directly interacting with you at all. Like, what did I ever do to you, I didn’t even know you existed, come on xD
That person shitting on me on Twitter I had some interactions in here with her and I knew she had her own personal drama on Twitter, but yeah that still makes me question why she seems to accuse me of doxxing her (at least that’s what I suspect she said)
Well I used her name from Twitter in here, that post is deleted since a long time though, so maybe that was it 
it’s interesting they’re shifting the blame on you instead of blaming industry pressure, stress of being a public personality, mid-life crisis going bad, bad time and stress management on behalf of a band that rushed at least two recent albums, covid mental toll that he talked about in the past - they’re literally trying to stone the messenger for delivering the bad news.
I wonder how old those people are, because if they’re past 18 at the time of posting, it’s a pretty bleak sign for their own future tbh.
always been a big part in Japanese fandoms, you need to filter the noise out.
some of them legit live through their faves to a way more extreme degree than western stan cliques do it, but most people grow out of this eventually (or switch to obsessing over kpop, when the VK-scene doesn’t hit the same way anymore.)
My understanding of the Wikipedia situation is that they felt like the edit was contrary to how the band views the circumstances (them speaking shortly after about how they view the band as five members, and plan to memorialize Reita as an Eternal Member as opposed to replacing him or considering themselves as a four man band).
Then again, the Wikipedia page is in English and in the English sphere, we’d consider a band member who passed away to be a former member.
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That doesn’t excuse the harsh choice of words though
But I am just getting too old to understand the choice of words
No your not too old.
Those types of comments are horrible even if it’s in the moment type of rage it doesn’t justify “I’m ready to beat there ass” while likely joking it takes one unhinged person to go digging for doxx material and possibly do acutal harm
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Not just this.
The band considers him being a member forever and so do lots of fans. In a certain way that’s alright.
However, a page like wikipedia has different rules for this. This is about living people who can step on stage which he sadly can’t so yeah it is right to list him as former, not active.
What people do to their own websites or whatever they do is one thing but something like wikipedia is simply a whole different story.
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Yes exactly. They not only live in their delusion, they want everyone else to live in their delusion as well.
The only Wiki that has him as a current member is the Japanese wiki because they have different rules, from what I’m aware.
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May I add tumblr in this fine group? While that website influence is very much weak nowadays, so much of the mondern fandons Modus Operandi bagan there.
That’s the exact same situation that we have in Versailles. Jasmine You passed in 2009, but they are considered an “eternal member” of the band. Let’s have a look at the Versailles’ wiki page
So, complete delusion it is
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On the other hand, I think pointing at Gazette fans now is kind of picking the low-hanging fruit. They’re allowed to say dumb stuff on the internet, they’re allowed to feel upset about something, even if they’re wrong about it. They’re not directly threatening anyone or trying to track someone down, it’s just a dumb statement made by someone feeling emotional. This is still a really recent event.
I don’t think it’s fair to point at something like this and go “omg insane fans” while patting ourselves on the back for being mature paragons of sane fandom. We were all younger, dumber, more emotional and impulsive. Some of these people may never have experienced grief from a death before, even if someone as distant as a favorite musician.
I just think this isn’t a fair example to use for criticism.
Let us all remember the Internet creed:
Tweet what thou wilt, if it harm none.
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I mean, I’m obviously biased here, but attacking someone over the changes they made to a wikipedia page is really not a behaviour that should be normalized.
It’s not like I insulted Reita or made fun of his death or whatever. And being young and dumb doesn’t absolve them from criticism.
Not that we know any of their ages, they could be in their late twenties or early thirties, for all we know.
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No it’s not right and it for sure shouldn’t be normalized.
But it’s true that there’s a lot of this behavior out there over a lot of different reasons.
People being emotional and therefore not reacting any kinda logical but solely emotional over someone passing is something different than reacting the same way over some trivial reason.
I don’t want to say it’s alright. Especially as the person being the aim of these attacks for no logical reason.
My experience is to simply stay out of that. Leave the changes to others and them taking the blame or whatever.
I don’t want to imply it’s your fault for changing, because it’s not. For me (since I can only speak for myself) I’d take the life lesson from it to just not do this again. Tried to do something right, got this as a result, well, not going to happen again. Something like that. That’s rather not making myself an aim again than anything else.
(And I admit seeing that hurts me as well I just can make that differentiation other fans apparantly can’t.)
Putting that behind a spoiler because that's not about VK/J-Rock anymore
People blurting out emotions and thoughts unfiltered is a problem of the whole online space not limited to certain platforms in my experience though. It doesn’t matter which one, when it comes to topics people are emotional about it’s always the same everywhere. (I’m in a forum where everything’s about cats and people there are very much dedicated to animal wellfare which’s great but the way things get out of hand easily and they even make fun of the very small team for a forum of that size and so on, nope it’s not better than Twitter or tumblr or whatever, and that’s from young people up to 60, 70 years of age. It might not be as directly attacking as on the other platforms but the ignorance, disrespectful behavior and a lot more I’ve seen there is not any better.)
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It shouldn’t be normalized, no, but you also shouldn’t give it more weight that it’s owed. Realistically, what does it matter if some random internet people hate you for a stupid reason? There will always be shitty people saying stupid things on the internet, but this is the most harmless example, in my opinion.
I don’t think it does any of us any good to address this stuff seriously because there is quite literally nothing we can do about it. We cannot lecture the yoof of the internet into sense. We have our own community with wonderful mods, and thankfully that kind of behavior isn’t tolerated here, so discussing it ad nauseam just ends up feeling a bit pearl clutch-y.
Just my opinion though, I’m sure it feels different being the one on the actual receiving end of something like this.
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I agree with the points made from both angles here. I do think that a huge subset of folks on Twitter, really SNS in general, are very snap-judgment, overly protective, and exist in a space with too many people at once. In principle, I don’t think the vitriol should be normalized, but I’m of the belief that this is the way of the internet now and you have to roll with the punches (shy of actual violence/doxxing.) Unfortunately, micro-blogging sites/services like Twitter are some of worst for presenting actual teachable moments. I always expect to run into dickheads in any sort of discourse, and if you run into them to back off and let the drama run its course. Actually, I have a feeling that this behavior isn’t too far removed from the chatrooms of yesteryear.
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Ah, no worries, I’ve been on the internet for way too long for such words to hurt me in any way. I was just surprised by them back when it happened, and when this thread got bumped and I read the first post, I was reminded of those tweets again.
So yeah, it doesn’t matter to me personally, but it fit the topic x)
Part of it is also the shift towards adopting the bangya way of doing things, which in many ways is almost identical to K-pop online stan culture.
Any observations or mild critiques are automatically a personal attack on the bands or their fans, your favourites are the only ones that matter, the favourite band isn’t just a band, it’s my band, everyone who doesn’t fit that fandom style must be a baka gaijin, etc. Drama, drama, drama.
I’d be lying if I said that it was only newer fans doing this, but I have noticed a tendency for the younger fans to adopt this style of engaging with the fandom as they believe that it’s the best way to appear like they’ve been around for longer.
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Interesting you bring that up, because I definitely find parallels between the current state of Twitter stan culture and textboard/imageboard drama (たぬき, 2ch, 5ch, etc.) that has dominated the Japanese internet space for so long.
Where I’ve often seen Japanese internet-culture play catch-up to the West (mobile, memes, etc.), this scenario is flipped with the English-speaking internet adopting those Japanese idiosyncrasies, but with a more outspoken presumptuous, egotistical slant. This phenomenon is probably just due to the fact that more folks are on an increasingly global internet with ideas intermixing.
**Emphasis on the “outspoken” here, since Japanese spaces can also be very vitriolic, but there’s not as much attaching your online identity to your opinions. Whereas we’re conditioned to have a sense of pride, methinks?
A bit outside the music space, but I never for the life of me thought we’d have English-speaking bonafide idol and vtuber stans/parasocials present-day. Maybe I wasn’t paying attention to early-Twitter or whatever, but I didn’t catch the transition from just celebrity-culture to this level of attachment.
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I’ve been a VK fan since I was a teenager but I was also a kpop fan during the 2nd and 3rd gen so after that I don’t find anything VK fandom does notable. Except tanuki and those sorts of things, but that’s not band-specific (though VK fandom really outdid kpop fandom with that one).
Don’t get me wrong, I’ve never met a VK fan that wasn’t annoying (including myself). But other than it’s ability to attract people I find irritating on a personal level VK fandom is nothing. But I’m not on Twitter so who knows. Just my experience.
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I feel like I have so much oral tradition as a long-standing member of this community, but I’m not sure if I’m ready to derail this topic…
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