Basically just not thinking in black and white, male and female. That’s all I’m talking about. You don’t have to guess which specific person might not be any of both because you can’t know until they tell so. Looking androgyne doesn’t say someone is nonbinary (even though I wished that were the case with me but that is my personal preference, nothing that has to do with being nonbinary in general). For example, you can see the a person with long wavy hair and any other feature that gets categorized as female, including cute dresses and whatnot and the person still can be nonbinary (actually even trans male but I try to keep it halfway simple and mostly people try to get to some passing for reasons).
I see where you’re coming from with this. But it actually begins before this. This is what you show by how you phrase things. But what’s been on your mind even before? More like that, you know?
Tbh I don’t know for sure which shooting this is about so I can’t say anything on that at all. I’d need to see the pictures to come up with a proper answer.
That is good. Remain wary of this.
Since they say they are a full female band Omi definitely is. She said she’s bi, I’ve seen that in a translated interview, I guess it might be the same one you read (and I loved that was open about it, I don’t expect people to be but every time someone is I love that).
I see what you mean. I try to get at it from my perspective so maybe you understand why I said that.
All I can see and also judge from is what you say. That’s the words you write here. And these left this impression with me.
And I might be sensitive when it comes to this topic. But as a nonbinary person I’m getting exactly this into my face every day all the time. Being it ads on TV, articles in mags or online or wherever. It’s always the same. Whether it’s talks about women when it’s about pregnancy (while part of nonbinary people as well as trans men can become pregnant as well but aren’t included in things phrased like that). Living in a country with a language where everything is gendered and anything but gender neutral (because unlike in English in German there’s male and female versions for most job titles and so on and it goes far beyond that, that’s just an example) and if some people/companies/whatnot try or pretend to be inclusive and then just go by these two (because the still common form is the male one where we get back to the topic of male in the first place which’s similar about the male gaze when it comes to media in general and sexualization of women) then it’s still not inclusive regarding any gender beyond the binary.
So being confronted with this 24/7 and then see how you phrased things, I hope you understand that it just doesn’t sound inclusive. And I can’t know what’s on your mind but you don’t say.
If you are interested about diving a bit into how it feels to be nonbinary and constantly misgendered I really like Mason Deaver’s “I wish you all the best”. It’s less about being included in the though process but still gives some insight from the perspective of a nonbinary person, partly transphobia on that and so on.
But nonbinary people do exist right amongst all binary gender people, we all are lumped together all the time. Just that nonbinary people usually don’t get considered as soon as it gets to things like what’s gotten me to say that about ignorance in the first place.
Me as well, believe me, me as well.
Representation matters.
Well, I don’t agree on that, regarding how I see it. For me it’s representation, someone else who knows how it feels and all that. What you say gives me the impression of it being some kinda gadget but not an identity (or part of an identity, because I’m way more than just nonbinary).
That’s right. As long as they don’t state they are no one can know.
But well, that actually goes for male and female as well.
And when I then see how some people here (and before at MH) start using the opposite pronouns (from the binary) for some (like most at least guess or about it others it is know them to be male but people talking about her) is pretty intrusive and actually even transphobic. Using wrong pronouns on purpose always is transphobic, even though people might not be aware of it and don’t think it is. In the end trans people often enough get referred to by using wrong pronouns just to hurt them, I’ve been experiencing this myself, right from someone of my family when I critized them and they didn’t like what I say (well alright actually it was deadnaming me when I hinted them on using the wrong pronouns for me and that triggered some discussion and when I didn’t back down the deadnaming thing happened with them saying they are using that name on purpose right now). That’s why doing this in other situations still is transphobic because this is real shit trans people face over and over again. Just in case people didn’t know before, now you do.
Exactly.
For example there’s DEVIANT’s To-hy. And I’ve seen quite some female pronouns used for them. So far I haven’t seen anything stated where they mention a gender. Their voice sounds pretty much like what’s get received as a female sounding voice. By how they do look I don’t think it’s that clear. There’s quite a list of possibilities why that’s the case but no matter what there’s no way stated which’s their gender. Which’s why I go by I by they/them (in the I don’t know their gender way). It’s not necessary to guess and maybe use a wrong one.
I can’t tell you. So far I didn’t see anything beyond Utada Hikaru’s usage of they/them (German also hasn’t one fixed one even though there are several ideas and some are more common by now other’s aren’t, but I myself even go by they/them in German as well).
That’s why I look into this every few months.
That is also the right way to go because it’s up to everyone themselves whether to be out or not.
