My two favourites from them are ‘The Offering’ and ‘Hypnosis’, I find it hard to recommend stuff from them as there’s so much different material from them. These are what I’m listening to from them frequently!
Also, the vocalist is, in my opinion, one of the best vocalists from the UK right now and it’s very popular opinion that their drummer is amongst one of the best drummers ever.
They have a mysterious vibe for the average listeners. They aren’t anymore mysterious than the average edgy VK bands if your are already used ro this scene
I only got to know more about them due to drumeo featuring their drummer a lot
reddit gave me a little badge for spending last 100 days taking a daily dump on the ÆI br* community… how is your summer…
The Summoning and Aqua Regia were heavy hitters for me when I heard them for the first time
I fell off around the time of Chokehold (single) and the album release because their releases around that time sounded same-y
Not so much random more a part 2 of a rant from another topic - if there’s one thing I will never forgive the non-Japanese vk community for it’s the amount of “it’s okay to like music they call trash! It’s okay!!!” I put myself through when I was young and dumb and actually thought they were being technical or serious about it not just “my taste > ur taste” Honestly. Acclaimed bandomen were leaving major bands because they didn’t like metal but mr. 666Kitsune-chan on Gaiaonline would try telling me my taste is shit and I would eat up their shitty opinions. “Oh but what you like isn’t REAL vk Therefore It Sucks” oh yeah? I have Rosier and Kizuna on my side bitch what do u have? (Because some people had the nerve to pull the “it’s not vk enough” card when it came to Luna Sea and Ancafe yes but to be fair I remember getting even “Nightmare … not very vk huh” even) Unfortunate that it took me long to get thick skin when it comes to taste but glad I’m not a judgemental bitch nowadays.
And this is how I am justifying to myself spending money to see Miku in the year 2024. I said “nah bad band” enough times!!! Why did I gaslight myself???/?
Intresting that there seemed to be a lot of people who cared so much about “real vk”. The vk group of people I hung up with did not really care. As long as it was japanese music, it was game. Nobody would shame you for liking Luna Sea or Laruku. O___o
Yeah, feel lucky for that. Don’t think the case for Luna Sea or L’arc was “shaming” like it was for oshare - more “oh, that… it’s good! But would be better if it was still vk” . Until somewhat recently (erm ten years ago maybe) some people still thought jrock = vk like non visual Japanese rock is “lesser” or “weeaboo stuff” not worth mentioning … don’t get me started on sound as if vk needed to have a certain sound or else it’s Not Real VK.
Eh, people can like whatever they like. But that crowd was annoying, v “my taste > ur taste” . I usually liked jpop better so I wasn’t interacting much, marked “not worth their time” .
i had similar encounters early into liking jrock and found myself trying to distance myself from jrock i found through anime because i was embarrassed (i was young ok) and was told it wasn’t ‘legitimate’. lot of wasted time and stupid arguments on livejournal over that back in the late 2000s/early 2010s 
someone reminded me Romantica exists/existed and all i could do was Stare Blankly Into the Distance…then i had to struggle to explain to my concerned coworker why my brain suddenly went to AOL dialup noises
@shigai – oh my gawd livejournal arguements. what an era that was… i remember some random person getting mad at me because i liked both SuG and Himeyuri, but hadn’t heard Serial Number at the time??? she sent me like 15 angry messages DAILY. i wish i had them but i’m locked out of that lj forever.
fandom culture was so wacky. how did any of us survive??? i’m glad we all have a home here for us
This one is good.
This is also good.
Yep, this. I wasn’t trying to distance myself from what I liked but I did try to distance myself from anywhere that smelled like Those Crowds and that included every jrock comm so I can’t forgive them for 1) making me stay away from … pretty much the only places where I could find the music I liked in higher quality than early Youtube 2) shaping my tastes in weird ways because I would go “oh, that’s the crap those people enjoy. Ew” to a point that I had a “it’s vk? don’t wanna hear” phase, where friends would be like “that was vk. but you liked it because you didn’t know that” 
I had to walk so many extra miles to get to the stuff I liked. The mad replaying of LEMONed I Scream by Miku Hatsune n my old last.fm is proof of that
we are slowly becoming a plastic tree
one more random jfashion thought because surely that’s a healthy amount: I realized tiktok kids had been responsible for a Gyaru Renaissance and thought that was cool. I spent a lot of my youth being (too nerdy to be a) gyaru wannabe (to be fair I was just very I WANT TO BE HER!!! about Kana Nishino) and getting clothes from brands like Liz Lisa that the local lolitas sold as “maybe casual lolita” for a rather cheap price because not many ppl liked them so I’m happy when I see people valuing that. (even literally. glad my clothes are now expensive and will help me pay bills)
But. They’re doing it all wrong. They’re conflating the elitist brand-addict lolita mindset with the tiktok gen mindset of “I NEED TO HAVE AN AESTHETIC OMG WHERE DO I FIT” and the end result is white girls applying bad quality eyeliner (japanese eyeliner is A PARALLEL WORLD) way below their waterline not even realizing it’s originally supposed to be eye enlarging makeup because all they know about gyaru culture is pictures of kuro gyaru and are fascinated by the “unique makeup” without knowing anything of the cultural context or … anything. Fine By Me TBH as long as they keep inflating my clothes but damn silly.
Edit: the tldr of the rant above is me sounding like the 60yos who go “When I Was Young we didn’t wear Ramones or Nirvana tshirts if we didn’t know the band”
I’m sorry I laughed so hard I almost cried
The last time I heard something like this was like 15 years ago.
Are you trying to imply the kind has been dead for 15 years or? I mean, people don’t care about that anymore when they live in Euro or Dollar zone and can afford to be “my clothes are more valid because brand” since there’s no economic crisis + hardships to import online anymore, but for those of us in Latam and such it’s still annoying/silly. And oh boy is that kind still a thing in lacemarket and reddit and nc from what I see at least, lolita … not my thing.
And for one actual thought: man do I miss Kaikan Climax … best game that lasted 0.5 seconds. >:((((((( yes in a boomer mood today
Could YouTube stop asking if I want comments translated to Korean? I don’t speak Korean, how did this come to be??? 
No, just lolita fashion is especially specific brands, which making lolita clothes, and it’s almost impossible to consider yourself as lolita without brand clothing. To be honest they aren’t that pricey that they seem to be, just an average subculture clothing, all that “brands” have nothing close to the real high fashion stuff which costs three, four, five times more than an average lolita item.
A lot of people will preach that “lolita is sillhouette” , then you’re saying “lolita is brand” and yet I tend to believe lolita is an aesthetic / fashion style? I mean, there wouldn’t be hundreds of (Japanese or not) indie brands, since the oughties, otherwise. And those brands weren’t all making replicas. Specifically here in Brazil there have been … a lot of indie brands, because importing is not fucking easy when the minimum monthly wage is < U$D 250 and taxes can reach over 100% , some of them even sell overseas and are legit indie brands. So when people say it’s brand, that’s your view, but I assure it’s not a given perhaps not even the majority’s view. (again Not Lolita but based on what I see others talk about. TBH I only like oldschool lolita and that may as well be because of the huge variety of Japanese indie brands and more creative aesthetic enthusiasm and less brand stanning)
It’s the same thing that’s happening to gyaru - love that they’re brand-obsessed to the point of inflating my closet, hate that they can’t see that it’s always been about ~the vibes~ first. Like, sure, neat to own Alba Rosa or whatever, but a lot of gyaru just bought whatever from Shibuya 109 and were valid. Liking brand isn’t Forbidden!!! either (hell I’d ban myself) but the obsession is kinda, haha y’know. Funny. Like they wouldn’t be able to make a co*de to save their life without 2 or 3 brands.
