love how ugly it simply stares at you with squinted eyes.
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People will have to adapt because trying to stop AI is like trying to stop the industrial revolution. It’s impossible. If people legit can’t find a source of income anymore then that sounds like the fault of government more than anything. AI is capable of creating amazing album artwork and music now which is better than 99% of new artists coming out. Of course nothing beats that human touch but you have to be truly elite talent wise if you want to compete.
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It may well be, but we all know that this is only the beginning.
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With streaming of music only extremly big artists and labels earn significant amounts of money. For everybody else we are already at a point were the income for musicians comes from lives and merchandise.
AI can’t do lives. There will probably be merchandise if they go in a Vocaloid direction with avatars but that’s already a thing so this is probably more of a competion for Vocaloid than actual bands.
So yeah there will be more AI garbage on streaming platforms and casual listeners won’t hear the diffrence but that’s anyway not the target audience anymore. It’s already ruined… it will just make it harder to find actual bands you can go and see live.
AI music is such a sad and poor concept. Sure there are people who will listen to it but they are clearly not music enthusiasts.
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In my opinion being this ardently anti-AI is a bit reactionary. I understand it’s a sensitive topic for artists and sure I do notice a difference. There are limits with AI technology but I would argue AI music still outperforms most indie bands now talent wise and yes even artistically.
Play around a little bit with Udio and you will see. You have to be a veteran of the scene in order to compete with AI now. Do I think AI can outperform DIR EN GREY or something? Of course not. Is it better than most of the forgotten about bands of the past that no one listens to anymore? In my opinion yes, easily. To believe otherwise is sorta cope imo.
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My point is, that part of enjoying music is to hear it played live and every artist had to start at some point if there is no opportunity to be an imperfect band at some point there will not be a next Dir en Grey or The GazettE. If nobody tries because humans always start as beginners, there won’t be masters.
I always watch the threads here about new bands because I think it’s most exiting to see them finding their sound. Of course not everyone will get famous or even last long but we need some people to try themselves out to become Dir en Grey. AI will make it harder for people to have a chance to become that unique artist.
That’s the problem in the long run.
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There is beauty in seeing an indie band develop into a polished veteran over many years, and AI can’t imitate the magic of that raw '90s and '80s sound. That human touch is definitely important. Needless to say I’ve heard a lot of fantastic songs that were made with AI.
We just need an entirely new approach to education, society, and everything really with the explosion of AI. We have to rethink every aspect of our lives if we wish to progress and preserve our humanity.
Hopefully AI will free up human labor to do more creative things in the future but right now simply isn’t a good time to be an artist because of the existential dread that many people are feeling. No time to dedicate your life to art when you’re worried about your next meal or paying rent.
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Fully agree with you, and there’s another point to mention here is that AI cannot be organic. It can’t make a beautiful concept album with meaning that touches people’s hearts. It also makes countless mistakes. Let’s face it, it can make background noise music no problem, and anyone who is just a casual music enjoier or art enjoyer won’t notice. (I’ve never had a lot of respect for people like that anyway)
But the reason many of us, at least in niche spaces, love real music extends far beyond how it sounds.
I recently heard a live band called The Nostradamnz and they were rough, organic and real. Can they play as complex as some of these AI things? Maybe not. But I’d easily pay to go see them live at least 10 more times because they’re sound was infectious.
And re:era of AI employees. I saw some of these signs in SF and they didn’t go over with people there too well. They’re definitely 100% rage bait. All I can say is that I hope someone starts making AI customers for all these products because no one will have money to buy jack shit if they replace jobs with these subpar systems.
Also, Po1, you may be in the wrong place if you’re trying to find AI sympathizers.
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anti ai is pretty simple.
AI is actively forcing to skyrocket our energy production which also increases our negative enviromental impact a lot more.
AI also actively dumbifies complete generations, as people don’t need to think theoretically about anything anymore, they can write the emails they can write your heartfealt birthday message. What will happen if we let machines take over every part of our live which only slightly needs our own thoughts or decision making. We increase heavily our chance of Dementia and also just generally dumbify ourselfes. What we will learn trough Chat GPT will also not be the truth because those machines are designed to give you answers, if they don’t know they prefer to instead to just blatantly invent complete lies, But people also don’t even question it anymore.
Of course firms will push it into our all faces, because they love “innovation” because it can give them reasons to charge more money to products and make us buy new products.
but it definitely is not good for us or the world, or anything honestly.
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I am the furthest thing from a “casual music enjoyer” and this mindset is rather patronizing to the people who enjoy AI. It’s not mutually exclusive, you don’t have to choose one over the other. Also whether something “touches your heart” or not is rather subjective.
I’m not looking for AI sympathizers I’m just offering a different perspective and going against the grain here a bit. I’m not an anarcho-primitivist and I understand that AI isn’t going anywhere. Best for us to learn how to coexist with technology.
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AI’s going to have an inevitable effect in the present economics of art and nothing will stop that because it will take away a lot of the things where money used to be for artists freelancing like government and corporate commissions. AI’s taking jobs away from artists who had made a living off of making slop for corporations because just like with everything else, they’re always looking to cut corners. This affects covers in book publishing, calendars, website art etc. basically all that stuff they didn’t want to pay for in the first place. I mean if you think artists are doing bad, you should see how the translation industry is doing – everyone besides a dozen translators with government gigs are either unemployed or freelancing for minimum wages with future prospects getting worse by the day (that’s why I changed industries). But that’s the sound of progress, and complaining about it while expecting others to owe you a living is like running a VHS rental shop in 2025.
I’m at peace with the inevitability of AI, nothing’s going to stop it besides government regulation and that’ll never happen, or if it does, it’s when the whole face of our civilization has already been changed at as profound of a level as what internet has done. However, the avenue of local resistance to streaming platforms and passive consumer culture is always there in local scenes where people get together over a shared ideological/political/culture project and perform and experience music together. The scenes of music I’m sympathetic to and generally into, besides vk that is, aren’t financially motivated or function in a way where physical participation is so deeply ingrained in its DNA that they’re largely taking place outside of the internet anyway. They won’t be affected by AI in the least. I hope AI will force people to draw these conclusions and get off their computers and build local networks of mutual aid and make music into an avenue of effective resistance against the corpo
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I will happily patronize an AI enjoyer any day honestly.
AI may not be going anywhere. But there’s no realm in which that’s a good thing. It’s a sin against life and the human experience itself. The last sacrifice of the human spirit. Art in all its forms, is a method of communication. You cannot communicate with a machine any better than you can hold a conversation with a mirror.
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Yeah, well, that’s just like, your opinion brah. 
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well I have listed also actually problems which AI causes, it is more than just personal taste.
text from before
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Don’t hate the player hate the game. 
The problem is with government and… capitalism obviously. But that’s a conversation for another time so I’ll leave this here. I fully stand by my points though.
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I don’t really read Po1’s posts as AI enthusiasm or apologia, but rather the author’s tacit admission that they think the AI generated music is at the same level with the lower rungs of the genre music being made today and their acceptance to that AI’s here and we don’t have the means, platform or anything else to stage effective resistance to it but are forced to try and navigate the changes it is bringing about, idk.
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There is no game is no one plays.
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Which is why I put it to rest numb nuts. Also someone literally has a Palestine flag on their name. Not that I oppose just pointing out your hypocrisy as usual Rena.
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I don’t see that type of AI doing anything to help humanity progress or even secure a future, moreso the opposite.
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