What a comeback, I will change my opinion immediately 
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bruh you were doing fine until you went and insulted one of our staff members. Imma sit your ass down for a lil bit until you learn to be bit more respectful. You can come back in about a week if you wanna try again. Peace out, homie 
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These two sentiments are in direct opposition to one another. I firmly believe there is no future in which AI and human composers can co-exist with its current application, because the AI is being made to do all the creative endeavors and leaving the humans with whatever is left. Which is not much.
Put another way, I do not want to listen to AI-generated music while I crunch data sets. I’d rather learn how to play and compose music while overseeing an AI crunch a data set for me. Let AI do the boring, routine stuff while we do the creative stuff, instead of letting AI do everything and sweeping the resulting mess under the rug.
If companies can save a buck, they will. And that’s the real sentiment behind anti-AI. AI isn’t being used to remove the pain points from processes and revolutionize how we do things. It’s being used to remove humans from the equation and concentrate wealth. Humans are seen as pain points instead of valued contributors. Note that I’m not saying it can’t be used symbiotically, but that current applications are more interested in outright replacing humans wherever possible. The ad @delkmiroph posted conveys that sentiment extremely clearly. You can’t explain away “STOP HIRING HUMANS” as anything other than pure replacement driven by fiscal greed.
You wanna know why I don’t like seeing AI in visual kei? That’s because it’s creatives stiffing other creatives, pulling up the ladder behind them so that nobody can find work. You may look at sukekiyo’s “breeder” PV and see something completely different than what I see, but what I see is a missed opportunity. An opportunity to rope in a dozen or more creative talents to execute a shared vision and communicate a message. The breeder PV does not communicate a single overarching motif or theme to me. It’s just random jumbled imagery with the band on top. It’s objective slop.
Today it’s the band not hiring other artists to execute their vision. Tomorrow, it’s a local band not getting signed to a record because an AI artist is easier to manage, doesn’t have mental breakdowns, doesn’t disband, doesn’t need to eat, sleep, or get paid, and will adopt whatever image and sound pushed by the producer. Wait until someone tries to make the first all-AI visual kei band, with AI-generated visual kei members, AI-generated visual kei music, AI-generated merch, and no concerts because what’s the point of showing up to a venue to experience what could be done at home much more easily? It’s really not that far-fetched of a hypothesis to make, because Hololive exists and they have already demonstrated that people will latch onto a parasocial relationship with a digital entity. The only thing that doesn’t exist is the pipeline to manage all aspects of a digital artist from beginning to end. Yeah, that company might save oodles of money and become successful without employing a single human creative mind in their endeavors, but so many other people lose out in the process that it’s not an outcome I’m willing to support or even passively let happen.
We can do better. We must do better.
Perhaps this is me stepping over the line a bit, but I find people who sit around and generate AI music are just too intimidated to learn how to do it the traditional way. Music theory is a scary and ambitious topic and one can explore music their entire life and never reach the end. The journey in itself is the point. It grows your perspective as a human being and has the potential to take people places that they would have never experienced. And all of that is being robbed and replaced with Music As A Service where people can generate chord progressions, sidestep music theory entirely, and dare to call themselves musical artists. I don’t support that either. You can’t be an artist without employing creative endeavors. When anyone can “generate” music, it completely eliminates barriers between those that can do and those that can’t. It conflates prompt engineering with actual talent. Without that barrier, there’s no way for talented people to be heard, which starts a reinforcing negative cycle of no one trying because there’s no support, so no one tries. This robs art from the world. But truthfully, music isn’t that hard. Learn a few chords and scales and you can bang out visual kei covers in no time. It’s way more stimulating than generating basic textures and chord progressions.
Perhaps it sounds like I’m gatekeeping music. And to an extent, I am! Because I took the time to teach myself the basics, and I’ve experienced the growth myself, and I’m not willing to lose the potential for other people to discover this same thing in the name of convenience.
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i try to talk without emotional language esp here, but look at this image used; specifically the MS mincho-ass font. I actually have no idea if that’s a decision the algorithm made or a person did, either way it’s kinda the same point in my mind:
Mincho is the look of like, menus, items for sale in a shop, maybe like textbook section titles. I mean SURE you can find examples that aren’t that but overall it’s kinda just a bizarre choice to use for album art typography - or, maybe instead of bizarre, it’s actually pretty routine and common by someone who doesn’t know what they’re doing. When all kanji/hanzi look foreign, any sort of typeface might look good enough, and we can leave it at that. A mincho face is super easily readable; that’s its raison detre.
i try to define mincho
(btw I’m no fontologist but i understand a mincho typeface as one w/ tapering strokes on one end and those upward triangles on the other, where uniformity in size and thickness of all elements is prioritized. Kinda like a certain type of serif in Latin character set languages)
Anyway, i have no idea if this typeface was chosen by a person or an algorithm, and i don’t need to to say what the point is - when you’re outside of a culture or subculture and try to act like you’re not, you can end up making some strange decisions, sometimes very common, routine, and predictable ones.
Also please don’t take my message as continuing a conversation; it’s more just citing the link po1 used rather than responding to them
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because otherwise Our Boys will murder you and the cops will act like you just happened to kill yourself with a gun that was found a few rooms away harr harr
I’m just wondering what’s the purpose of writing pages of intellectually inane dribble here that defends technology that is already recognized as illegal -
and the legal defense presented by same ai companies and their vastly dishonest, albeit professional lawyers, typically does not get taken seriously by the courts at this point?
I’m pretty detached in regards to what’s going on, but the other recent observation that stayed with me is this: out of all capitalist power classes to day, the IT VC generation are easily the most ignorant, the most greedy and the most skimpish out of them all when it comes to supporting anything related to public education, culture, and arts.
I’m waiting for that RIAA vs suno lawsuit to go into its progressing stages because at the very least, music industry is legally covered all over; arts not so much.
it’s amazing you’re able to grasp that the parasite incels developed this tech to steal from the best artists and give nothing back, but you can’t figure out how long and how expensive it is to actually raise elite talent, particularly in the age of idiot politicians who see kpop as a success story and think AI out of all methods will be the one giving them a fast track to that
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i do not understand why people are like you gotta accept AI just accept that it’s happening! yeah no i don’t have to accept this. i’ll listen to the music i want. ai can’t get rid of the shit has already been made and that i have on the old ass cd’s in my house lol
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The thing is: As of now, AI is inevitable. It is here already and it is here to stay for the foreseeable future.
BUT in the end, everyone can choose if and how to use it and if and how to consume AI “art”.
If artists choose to rely heavily on AI (doesn’t matter if MV, lyrics, Coverart, or whatever), the fans will either suck it up and the artists will probably continue to do so because it saves them time, money and brainpower. Or the fans will turn away and therefore force the musician to rethink their approach if they want to stay relevant.
The real issue here is that AI is getting increasingly (and very fast) better to imitate the real thing.
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There’s something about the advent of generative AI that’ll never sit right with me.
I don’t mean to be “woke” or political, but (in the US especially, I can’t speak for everywhere else) but the lines between “work in order to survive” and “survive in order to work” are so blurred, that people already have little time to pursue creative endeavors, only for some techbro in Silicon Valley to either repurpose, outright steal, or replicate our passions?
No thanks. I don’t have to accept “AI is the future, get used to it”.
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Yesterday I had a chat with an IT guy from the company I work at and he is so in love with AI and his argument was “Would you also get rid of the internet to bring libaries back”
Dude, libaries never went away and also the libary did not write the books. That’s such a poor argument 
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AI music is basically
Crazy Bus theme but fixed to a pentatonic scale.
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“how to spot an AI bro who hasnt set his foot in a book store in ten years”
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He must be one of those lazy professionals who asks the AI to do the coding and commands in Java and so on. There are many new professionals who are dependent on AI. I’ve heard a lot of absurd things from so-called professionals who, instead of really studying and understanding, prefer to rely on AI to do their jobs.
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Mmm. Saw the new Kizu DVD. Their whole backdrop is all AI CGI. Some of it was cool, but goddamn, did most of it look cheap. Good thing the music was good.
Edit: yes, i saw the old footage from old videos, but those were ALSO doctored by AI, if you take good glances.
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Pay for 7700 yens to reg edition oe the limited 18000 yen to see AI CGI 
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I don’t think so. He’s been working at the company for quite some time. Before the AI craze started. So he probably knows how to do it without AI. He and the rest of the IT guys are all very into the AI stuff. Probably because it’s shiny and new.
I dislike non of them on a personal level. It’s the opposite, actually, they are quite fun usually.
We just come from very diffrent standpoints when it comes to AI. I could do my job without touching any AI so my view comes mostly from being annoyed by ugly AI slop everywhere, especially “art” but they work with it and are supposed to be in on the newest developments and how it can be used.
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Today many professionals, even old ones, automate processes with AI.
It’s much easier for a professional with years of experience to use AI to their advantage and increase their productivity also use automation through AI and then just check that everything is right then Bingo.
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But that does not seem like such an big problem. At least more like a place were I can understand the use of AI more than making extremly ugly MVs or generating endless instagram and facebook posts.
… he’s also mainly our hardware guy
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Ya girl didnt splurge this time. I put on my best Raidou cap and fake braids and swam the high seas. Even got it interpolated at 720p.
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For professionals with years of experience, it helps and i don’t see a problem with that, but new professionals want to do the same thing without even having a clue what they’re doing. That’s where the problem with AI dependency is constant and very noticeable in recruitment tests, for example.
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Me, the clown who paid 33,000 yen to see the AI backdrop from the front row: 
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