Yep you’re right on that on their end! To clarify I meant more of Nightmare’s side of things by making an official IG and Tiktok for the first time after the announcements of the Europe tour, so I thought perhaps their organiser had a hand in that? But I’m not 100% now you’ve mentioned that.
But yes, at least from Nightmare’s side there was an attempt I guess, I’d see IG stories and vids like this:
(sorry it was a midway screenshot so the captions were not fully loaded, I think it should have said “Did you get your tickets yet” etc)
Genuinely was quite happy to see the IG account because some of the footage was something that I’d see as photos and clips on their paid mobile site. But yeah, you pointed out something really glaring there on the organiser’s end
Nightmare tried. But it’s awkward to start up new socia media when before you had no presence on it. The first tik tok video still had the capcut logo… Envolprod tried to announce them banking on Death Note. Which had already long past it’s appeal. It could also be bad timing in general since Nightmare is recreating a super old tour which old fans might enjoy for nostalgia but newer people might see as being “stuck in the past” and not having new material to show.
This probably isn’t super relevant but there’s a surprisingly high amount of VKei fans who don’t know Yomi recovered significantly from his dysphonia. Speaking to one person her initial reaction was something like “why would I want to watch a sick man ruin his songs” Ofc I made the effort to show her clips of recent concerts where his voice is much better. But it seems that while it is common knowledge that Nightmare is back, its not common knowledge that Yomi has gotten better.
It’s weird they used Death Note as a crutch. The members are certainly over the Death Note songs. Their Japanese fanbase certainly doesn’t recognize them solely by Death Note and neither do their LATAM fanbase.
Like imagine if Kamijo during his world tour was advertised as just “the singer for Lareine”. Közi as “the Malice Mizer guitarist” or The Gazette as the “Black Butler band” I’m certain they wouldn’t have been as successful just because people move on from the past.
I don’t necessarily think their tour needed to be smaller. I think they just needed to have a LATAM tour first. People would see “wow they had a successful international tour elsewhere ? I wish they’d come here”. And they’d probably sell well in at least Spain and mayne Portugal for instance since LATAM and Spain don’t have the big language barrier.
But it’s hard to say because European Nightmare fans have admittedly been very few and far between these past couple years. They just kinda spawned when the tour was announced.
On his tour in Latin America, Közi promoted himself as the guitarist for Malice Mizer and played songs by Malice Mizer. Malice has more of a name than Nightmare, no matter how many years smil that very few tickets have been sold, and I haven’t seen much promotion on social media. I asked a friend to see what he had to say, who was collaborating.
I feel like these two could work. Közi because Malice Mizer is super popular with the the tiktok kids and Black Butler because the anime had a new season not to long ago… I think this year? So at least it is stil in the mind of people. With the Black Butler road you’d advertise to a different group, tho. And I think Gaze could pull enough music fans so there would be no need to try to pull the anime crowd.
But for Naito it might would have helped a little bit? It’s hard to say. I must confess I am going purely for nostalgia and because I haven’t seen them before. Funnily I didn’t connect them to Death Note at all, despite liking the franchise. I haven’t listen to nightmare in ages but I can name the members still it’s a really weird relationship, I have with them.
this announcement was done so poorly. the official mea account only quote tweeted envolprod’s tweet and didn’t even add a japanese translation.
saw a couple japanese fans’ accounts that said they booked flights and accommodation for all 9 stops and now half the tour is canceled, so the least the offical acct could do is provide them with a proper explanation.
I got some information from what they said at their final concert in Japan. The band said they were surprised by the announcement, that they were really looking forward to the European tour, but it’s the promoter’s decision and they had nothing to do with it. I feel terribly sorry for the band.
Some key bits from Yomi’s latest IG post:. Disclaimer: Google Translated it here, but roughly eyeballing and tweaking it, it seems proper to the source.
The second half of the European tour was cancelled, and I was feeling a bit uneasy before the show, but when I got on stage and saw everyone’s faces, all that feeling disappeared.
It was the best tour final!
To the local fans and the fans who were planning to come from Japan,
I am truly sorry for the shows that have been canceled.
I believe that once a live show is officially announced, it should be held unless it is unavoidable due to a disaster or a member’s poor health.
To fans that are willing/able to reschedule concerts, unless you know someone in Germany that will hold your tickets for you, I don’t recommend planning to go there. Germany’s shows only give out physical tickets and at least here in the US, I received mine about three weeks after they were shipped. It’ll be a headache waiting so close to the date.
Paris is an easy one. Almost everyone I know that rescheduled are going there. London is stricter with Visas (turkish fan cited visa as a reason London wasn’t an option) but as long as you’re good on that end and fine with Ticketmaster, it’s smooth.
I don’t know about Helsinki. If other fans have things to say on that end, that’d be appreciated.
Don’t know if this is appropriate in this thread but here goes. Just watched the new Ultimate Circus finale and JESUS CHRIST WHAT A TRIP !!!
They all looked and performed AMAZINGLY ! Their stage presence really shines. I’m sure you guys have seen the setlist by now and no it is not the original setlist but it is an amazing one nonetheless
Yomi man… he performed as if he had never dealt with vocal issues he was belting these high notes. HE SANG 36.7 IN THE ORIGINAL KEY WHAT THE FUCK !!! (Ok it was a halfstep or step down but it’s still pretty high) I think most of us took for granted that we would never hear some of these songs again and that if we did, we wouldn’t hear Yomi perform them half as good as the original but Yomi proved my fears wrong. I’m sure everyone in attendance was shocked at just how good Yomi was.
This is for sure their best tour final since hiatus. Maybe too soon to say it beats the first, but there is a serious argument to be made that it does.
That’s what someone wrote on Instagram. Heard other people confirm that.
Also I feel like Yomi writing “I think concerts should only be canceled when there’s a catastrophe or sickness” is a polite way of saying that they are pissed at envol for canceling it.
As someone who did watch the stream, can confirm he did say that. It was after the encore if I remember correctly. “A few days ago they contacted us and asked for canceling and we were like ‘what’ ?”
They also acknowledged the bad timing but said that on their end it was as fast as they could announce it given they were also told on very short notice
Yeah I doubt the members have a thing against small crowds. They still perform at live houses with 200-300 ish capacity for their FC performances. During covid they performed to a crowd of like 150 once.
That and if they’re making this big a deal about recreating an “indie” tour, playing their “indie” songs, then they should be fine with indie crowds.
Well, cynically speaking, the band doesn’t have anything against small crowds since they’re most likely paid a flat rate by the organizer for the shows they’ve performed. The organizer is the one that’s going to take the hit.
Although we don’t know what’s going on the background and who did what, there’s already a precedent set specifically by B7Klan and Envol who’ve cancelled multiple dates and entire tours before from low ticket sales and then blamed everything from production conflicts to the Paris terror attack. Considering that this keeps repeating, I’m wondering why they’re even in the game in the first place.
When this tour was announced, we were already speculating in our circle that something like this could happen, and then it played out just about how we’d predicted. This is entirely anecdotal on my part, but I haven’t in all my nearly 20 years in the scene met more than a handful of European Nightmare fans and the numbers of those encounters has diminished even further in the past 10. It doesn’t help either that this band’s music isn’t in vogue at the moment as a “lighter” legacy act, and they’ve got none of the social media game of all the madman esprits and jilukas of the world to make last minute converts. People on Instagram have highlighted the lack of promotion, but I honestly don’t know what could’ve saved this tbh. I think it should’ve been booked for Paris and Germany only, or not at all if the organizer wasn’t ready to pay for the gamble.
So at least it is stil in the mind of people. With the Black Butler road you’d advertise to a different group, tho. And I think Gaze could pull enough music fans so there would be no need to try to pull the anime crowd.
it’s a really weird relationship, I have with them.
